Gamers Feel Mass Effect: Andromeda Characters Are Ugly
Mass Effect Andromeda Ugly
(Last Updated On: February 22, 2017)

Leading up to the March 21st release of Mass Effect: Andromeda, there appears to be a lot of pings coming across this site and in search engines about one very important, unavoidable topic that seems to be nestled deep into the cortex of the average gamer’s thought process: why are the characters in Mass Effect: Andromeda so ugly?

The topic actually spawned an opinion article from TheGG writer Robin Ek, who literally asked that question. His answer? Well, he sums it up to SJW identity politics, and further writes…

“I just don´t get why Bioware has to make their female MEA characters so darn ugly. I mean, it´s almost like they are trying to make their female characters as unattractive as possible…(I wonder if Bioware realizes that the world consists of more than just straight male gamers? Bi and lesbian women LOVE sexy females too!). “

It’s true that the female characters in Mass Effect: Andromeda have been on the receiving end of a lot of criticism from the general gaming community. A lot of people were wondering why BioWare made the male Ryder protagonist look like his real life model, but they made the female look fugly.

An analytical report from Cyber Psychology on identity politics centered in BioWare’s titles featured a section where they talked to some members of the progressive community. Some of the people they interviewed explained that games are generally too “heteronormative” and are aimed at “straight male” audiences, with the article stating…

“For [our interviewee] Eva, games are mainly a man’s world. [She says] “They are quite sexist […]. All the women are hot, big boobs and butts […], they’re all slim and flexible. This is totally a hetero guy’s stereotypical ideal of a fantasy lesbian.”

The article explains that BioWare has attempted to take a different approach to this, to normalize opposing depictions of character sexuality and visual appeal. The idea is to target the fringe minority.

No More Lost quoted BioWare’s David Gaider during a forum exchange, where he essentially chastised a gamer who was disappointed with Dragon Age 2. Gaider explained that the “majority” doesn’t have a right to more options over anyone else, writing…

“We have a lot of fans, many of whom are neither straight nor male, and they deserve no less attention.”

 

[…] And if there is any doubt why such an opinion might be met with hostility, it has to do with privilege. You can write it off as “political correctness” if you wish, but the truth is that privilege always lies with the majority.”

Essentially, this is why the male Ryder looks like his real life counterpart but female Ryder was made to look far less attractive, to suit the needs of the minorities who dislike straight male sexuality. This was made even more evident in a comparison between Yennefer from The Witcher 3 and Sera from Dragon Age: Inquisition.

As you can see, the elf has many of the same hard facial features as Sarah Ryder, giving her a somewhat disjointed, uncanny valley look.

This issue has been spread all over the internet, from discussions about how “ugly” the female characters look from the HardOCP forums, to GameFaqs, to Reddit, and even on the BioWare Social Network, where there are pages full of complaints about how ugly the female characters are. It even managed to get BioWare’s attention where they mentioned they would fix up some of the animations in Mass Effect: Andromeda before release, as reported by PC Gamer.

Some sites like The Zero Review have attempted to argue away the issue, saying that the “ugly” characters are a non-issue due to the fact that BioWare is going for more “realistic” looking characters. They then proceed to explain that real life intergalactic space soldiers wouldn’t look like super models… because, obviously they’ve been to the future.

Frag Hero, however, wasn’t convinced that this was about making the characters look more “realistic” or “normalized”, but rather it was BioWare’s attempt to placate a certain vocal minority. They write…

“Steven Brewis’s character looks a lot like him, even down to the stubble. Then, you look at Sara Ryder- and nothing makes any sense. Bioware’s representation of Jayde Rossi looks absolutely nothing like her. It’s not even remotely close.

 

“Personally, I think this entire thing is a little ridiculous. Female character models in games like Fallout 4 and the Witcher 3 have nothing wrong with them, and they (for the most part) aren’t overly sexualized. Their female characters are accurate representations of the models they are based off of- as are the males. It’s a shame Bioware thinks that they need to do this to keep feminists happy.”

We’ll see how well this little tactic works out when Mass Effect: Andromeda launches at the end of March. On the upside it’s great that you can at least cutostomize your Ryder character, as reported by WCCF Tech. But even still, it’s quite telling when the most searched for item in relation to the game across this site is how people think the characters are ugly.

This only makes matters worse when you consider that a lot of people have already decided not to buy the game after one of the lead designers made it known that he is racist against a certain group of Mass Effect’s demographic.


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  • Karl Marx

    This is ruining video games!!! Might be time to find another hobby, or only buy games that ignore the radical hate mongers who push this shit.

  • Lance

    I would also like to point that the males aren’t attractive either. Have you seen Liam or Gill? Ugh. Where is Kaiden Alenko? And male Ryder’s body proportions are totally off and uncanny valley.

  • TJ Cooper

    Just went to comic con. The SJWs want all comic, games, etc to be lesbian or gay coming of age stories!!! LOL

    Seriously thought, Its all agenda driven and ridiculous.

    • Hm, did you notice if there were comics set to come out or stories that are on the horizon that dealt with this specifically?

      • TJ Cooper

        What are you referring to?

        • Oh I figured you saw something while you were at comic con… I just thought that maybe you came across upcoming comics or some writers were talking about some new comics that had SJW themes in them. My mistake.

          • TJ Cooper

            Every diversity panel I went to basically demonized the CIS White Male and pushed indie comic which were often about coming age and such.

  • Phasmatis75

    Let’s take a look and see if Bioware’s choice is a sound economic one.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/64c8a4852882aa041daef3e6b9bee2e5592a92e29d2d49a29a7664f84876e34e.png

    Nope nearly brain dead.

  • Gozu Tennoh

    I’ll pirate it when the mods get made. I bet they’ll be super slutty aswell just to compensate for whats happened with these pathetic morons at bioware.

  • Alistair

    Lot of denial of SJWs, “censorship isn’t influenced by us”

    Etc etc, “so what the women ugly but the males are nice” *drools*

    Hence censorship by influential groups.

  • GladiusAlpha

    Fuck feminists. No, like literally – somebody, anybody, please fuck them, so they stop being frustrated, sad cunts who want to make everything as fucking ugly as they are.

    • WhenDidVicesBecomeVirtues

      Personally I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a hidden motive that, the female main character’s facial features (and also that female asari in Andromeda) are weird, almost as if they got hormone treatments. Maybe I am getting too conspiracy theorist by assuming there’s an agenda.

    • Alistair

      Well TBH if I was them and plain ugly. I wouldn’t want to broadcast to the world.

      It common sense, but these regressions whine and morn and people will sit up and take notice.

      The fact is it just jealousy a muti bill industry that doing well and ugly feminists SJWs can’t handle a sexy fictional characters.

  • Gaijin-

    Jayde Rossi should sue Bioware.

  • Steven Scott

    Not exactly a fair comparison though. The picture of Brewis looks more natural while the picture of Rossi looks like something from a photo shoot or at least something that has been touched up.

    • What does a touched up photo have to do with an in-game model that’s disproportionate to the real life model? With 3D scanning technology that’s available today, it’s impossible to screw up a model unless you go out of your way to do so.

  • Religion is Cancer

    Ryder looks like a man hating dyke. Feminism at it’s best.

  • MosesZD

    They’re really bad models. They’re just not proportioned right. Their textures are off. Their hair is terrible. They look, well, very amateurish.

  • Disqusted

    Well, to be fair, Bioware have never been great at making good faces, especially the hair. ME1’s Liara is probably their masterpiece. Non-humans don’t count.

    Also, human faces don’t look great all the time. A lot of it is lighting, expression, makeup, etc. The photos of the real-life people have good lighting. The shots of them in-game do not. So, MEA clearly has shitty lighting. You’d never see lighting like that on an actor/actress’ face in a high quality film production.

    No excuse for that Dragon Age Inquisition character, though. That’s just a bad face model.

  • bellingerga

    nothing more whiney on planet earth, than people who whine about “sjw’s” and “feminists”. you guys are the biggest fucking crybaby pussies on planet earth. meanwhile, while the very few of you whine and bitch, the rest of us non mentally ill people are going to actually enjoy the game

  • lol, the brass neck on this one to call me a snowflake

    take your comment and tell it to the SJWs/feminists who whine and cry non-stop whenever they see an attractive female character showing a bit of skin in a video game

    once you’ve done that, shove your comment back up your rear end and keep it there

  • ElKonsolero

    “Some sites like The Zero Review have attempted to argue away the
    issue, saying that the “ugly” characters are a non-issue due to the fact
    that BioWare is going for more “realistic” looking characters. They
    then proceed to explain that real life intergalactic space soldiers
    wouldn’t look like super models… because, obviously they’ve been to the
    future.”

    OK if you want a more “realistic” looking character in the first
    place why even hire a good-looking model? Why not just take someone from
    the team and save 1000s of dollars?

    And it´s not really that the female Ryder is ugly it´s more like the
    face is really offputting. Something about the facial proportions just
    don´t seem right without being able to pinpoint it exactly. I kind of
    compare it with an alien wearing a humanface that doesn´t fit entirely
    like in the first Men in Black movie.

    • mikebrand83

      OK if you want a more “realistic” looking character in the first place why even hire a good-looking model? Why not just take someone from the team and save 1000s of dollars?

      Original Max Payne game FTW.

    • Disqusted

      I said it before, and I’ll say it again: The people I’ve met in real life very often look way more attractive and beautiful than recent celebrities I see in movies, television, etc. Even if they use tons of makeup or Photoshop.

      So defending ugliness/poor 3d modeling as “realism” is bullshit.

    • LurkerJK

      They got a pro trained for the whole motion capture thing and there are no ugly pro models, those girls work their ass off (literally) to be “easy to the eye”, thats their job, they make their money out of ppl liking seeing them, not recoiling in disgust, they seek to increase their “value” not reduce it

      What are you going to tell her ? “Be more etnic, be less attractive, get more wrinkles under your eyes, eat that damn burger and stop being so hot!”

      • ElKonsolero

        I looked a little bit around about that “pro trained” and i couldn´t find anything.

        However i did find this: http://www.motioncapturesociety.com/resources/articles/miscellaneous-articles/484-casting-for-motion-capture

        Seems like there is no neccessary training for motion capture, the gist of it is that you have a high control over your body.

        Sure an actor can already act well with his face but from what i take from my link you could´ve chosen a few people who could do the facial expressions needed and maybe give one worker some mimiklessons. It should still be cheaper than hiring an actress (which as far as i´ve seen it didn´t have any prior experience in motion capture).

        • You’re actually right.

          This is how they do MotionScan performance capture. MotionScan requires an actor to come in and they scan their facial movements and audio, and then separately they have someone else do the movements.

          In some cases, like for Resident Evil 7, they used 3D scanners on the actors after applying prosthetic makeup on them so they could get them to look exactly the way they wanted, and then did the motion capture.

          You’re right insofar that you could technically hire anyone for 3D facial scanning if all you’re doing is using their face. Like in the case of MGSV or RE7, prosthetics can be used to alter the face before scanning to give it the exact look the art director wants.

          The only time a face needs to stay 1:1 is when they’re doing MotionScan performance capture of an actor’s face.

          • LurkerJK

            Then I guess they just planned hot redhead and then changed to miss forgettable during a sjw meeting, why even mention the actress in that case ?

          • I’m guessing internal strife. Not everyone at BioWare is an SJW but the people who make the final call likely are. If the casting director wanted hotties for the main Ryders but the creative director wanted schlubs, then I guess they just frumpied up the actress during the 3D model clean-up phase before animating.

    • Tracker

      Everyone knows that future intergalactic space soldiers are going to be predominantly fat lesbians. I mean they must be prepared to being adrift for potentially hundreds of days at a time, duh. When are they going to put out a game with a realistic future army?

  • Raging Papist

    Yeah, Bioware has been doing this for a while. Look at what they did to Cassandra from DA:I. They clipped her hair even shorter and gave her a far more pronounced man-jaw. A shame, because there was nothing really wrong with her “stronk-woman” presentation in DA2.

    So lets just say it: Stop supporting companies like Bioware who take active stances against their own audiences. Let them crash and burn. Let EA close them. The industry needs a crash, so that we can start producing games that aren’t converged around social justice.

  • Hanabi Badhand

    Honestly, I like the characters in Mass Effect Andromeda’s looks. You have some handsome, some pretty, but all unique and characteristic. If you don’t find someone attractive, don’t romance them. But, look at her face. She looks like a fun, snarky smartass. And honestly, if she where a real girl she’d be a solid seven. In a world where most people pull between four and six.

    And on the Dragon Age one. If you turn the textures and mesh down as low as possible, you’re gonna get a fuggy WAX DOLL!

    • It’s interesting because if you contrast this with Platinum’s Nier Automata, a lot of people absolutely adore 2B. There are even some people interested in buying the game because of her design. You couldn’t ask for better marketing.

      When people are willing to invest in your product because 1) they think it looks fun, and 2) because they have an affinity with the protagonist (or deuterogonist) then you have a solid product on your hands.

      A large part of marketing appeal is how well people attach themselves to a character. No matter what you think about original Shepard, a lot of people loved the way he looked, and he was highly marketable. Mario is highly marketable, Samus is highly marketable (although Nintendo doesn’t do anything with her), Solid Snake and Quiet are both highly marketable.

      Long story short, BioWare decided to not only go with “average” people but also people who are rendered in game as not being very photogenic and not being visually memorable in an appealing way. When the target demographic is saying that these main characters are unappealing, then you’re shooting yourself in the foot by trying to target a fringe.

      Ryder may be a 7/10 for you… but if that 7/10 results in fewer people putting down $60 for the game then BioWare just killed off their own brand trying to purposefully avoid appealing to the majority of their audience.

      EDIT: Also I completely 100% agree with you about BioWare and their terrible romance.

  • L.

    Allow me to correct the headline:

    “Small handful of male gamers whine about how female characters in a video game don’t give them boners”

    But hey, being a whiny fucking cocksucker cheering on a bunch of sad fucking losers who genuinely want video game developers who don’t do exactly what they want to be raped and killed must get you a few dozen clickbait clicks.

    Also, note that the comparison doesn’t acknowledge Josephine from DA:I. I wonder why. Maybe it’s because it proves what a bunch of dumbfucks the losers bitching about the existence of fictional women who don’t give them boners are.

    http://www.poweronpub.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/dragon-age-inquisition-josephine.jpg

    • lol, no one said ALL their female characters were ugly, just that they do seem to be focused on making many of their characters less attractive.

      On the plus side, they don’t have to worry about any rule34.

    • Smug

      go back to whatever hole you came from, ugly woman

    • theraggededge1

      You obviously hate males and anyone who doesnt agree with your opinion. Please, keep pushing and you’re going to watch your entire world crumble before your eyes. The fact you think that you can push and no one will do anything but give is something your little sjw groups embrace. Yet when reality comes calling, your world will break and crumble. SJW’s are a soon to be gone breed you stupid man hating bitch.

  • Daryl Corey

    I will be buying Andromeda used and unless one of the DLC pack involves getting to shoot a virtual version of Manveer Heir or something else that awesome I will not buy any DLC. I would rather Gamestop get my cash in this instance.

    • L.

      Congratulations. You genuinely want to murder video game developers.

      • MosesZD

        They’re pixels. Get a life.

        • Disqusted

          Video game developers are pixels? What?

      • Daryl Corey

        in a game sure IRL nah not really though I do wish bad things for him and all he seeks to do and would find it funny as hell if he got run over by a bus or something

  • MusouTensei

    Taro Yoko = 2B is sexy because I love women, please send lewds.
    Bioware = Our females are ugly because fuck you straight men. Also fuck white people.
    Guess who gets my money and who doesn’t?

    • Alistair

      I voted with my wallet, it be 2B butt that grab me by the balls not a pussy.

      Sorry couldn’t resist. 😏

  • d0x360

    I’ll tell you this…Its going to be the first bioware game since KOTOR that I don’t buy day 1. I’m waiting a couple weeks to see how gamers feel about it. The characters are hideous but I can live with it if the game is really good and that means excellent combat and a good story with good game pacing between moving around and exploring and combat.

    Also can’t they do something for this minority without driving the majority of their fans bonkers?

    • MosesZD

      Frankly, I’m done with BioWare. DAII was a shameless, shitty money grab. ME3 did the same AND trashed the entire story for some gimcrack piece of crap, woo ending.. DA:I was so dull I never finished it.

      • d0x360

        Yea I’m with you their. Da2 I wasn’t planning on buying either but my gf wanted to play it so I grabbed it day 1 and played a bit. It kinda reminded me of fable in some obtuse way. I found the combat to be boring as hell.

        Me3 possibly has the worst ending ever. I do however love the indoctrination theory and I like to believe that it’s all true which would make it the best ending in sci fi history…But at the same time I doubt the writers are that smart because the seeds would have been planted in the original game and you would think they would have hinted at it in some way in games other than just 3.

        Sigh….The problem is the company or the studio since es owns them has been taken over by the PC police so everything has to be politically correct…For Christ sake dragon age essentially has either beastiality or furry sex in it. I’m talking about that bull guy who my gf romanced just to see the scene which was ridiculous.

        I have an idea…Get rid of the romance options in the games, all of them. Or cut it down to a single story based love interest. Bioware seems just a tad obsessed with love and sex scenes regardless of species. It’s too much…It’s ridiculously stupid and the press eats it up like bioware is leading some amazing revolution.

      • Disqusted

        People around me kept saying DA was the best game ever. Tried it for a few minutes, and it was one of the worst games I’ve ever tried. Huge blurring everywhere, awful colors, awful textures, awful everything, I wanted to throw up.

        Tried DA2 for a few minutes. Awful colors. Awful character models. Weird clipping and other shit on the models’ faces. Crappy animaion. Crappy everything.

        I really don’t understand why people like DA so much.

  • Yggdrasil

    To the author’s point, if you look at the individual parts of Sara Ryder’s face compared to the model, then they actually pretty uniformly correspond. The end result just didn’t look the same when taken as a whole. Most successful models have interesting/unique features, and I think those just came off exaggerated in the Sara Ryder model due to the imperfections of the rendering engine. My point is that it isn’t all some grand conspiracy.

    The picture from The Witcher in the article is a little more stylized, so it makes everyone more attractive (by essentially “airbrushing” small imperfections). The details and peculiarities of the Frostbite engine give a grittier look, not unlike what you saw in Skyrim, which I thought was wall-to-wall ugly people. Again, my point being: not a conspiracy, no matter how much you enjoy believing it to be.

    • EroBotan

      you’re pushing it lol .. just accept the reality that she’s ugly

    • Here comes the SJW excuses

    • think those just came off exaggerated in the Sara Ryder model due to the imperfections of the rendering engine

      Then why does Scott Ryder’s model look exactly like his real life model?

  • Yggdrasil

    The author totally misrepresented David Gaider’s comments around DA2. The person he was responding to basically said that straight gamers shouldn’t have to put up with LGBT characters. Gaider basically told him that being in the majority doesn’t mean games have to cater exclusively to the majority’s tastes. There are plenty of games that don’t sweat inclusion, but it’s unreasonable to think that people of different minorities shouldn’t have any expectation to see themselves in the games they play.

    • The author totally misrepresented David Gaider’s comments around DA2.

      Not at all. Gaider’s comments are quite clear cut, he’s saying they’re sacrificing their majority for the minority. BioWare has every right to do that just like the majority has every right to call them out on it. That’s how opinions work.

      • L.

        Let’s quote Gaider:

        “The romances in the game are not for ‘the straight male gamer’. They’re for everyone. We have a lot of fans, many of whom are neither straight nor male, and they deserve no less attention. We have good numbers, after all, on the number of people who actually used similar sorts of content in DAO and thus don’t need to resort to anecdotal evidence to support our idea that their numbers are not insignificant… The majority has no inherent ‘right’ to get more options than anyone else.”

        Gaider was quite clear. You, on the other hand, are a fucking liar who cannot stand the fact that they do not care SOLELY about people like you.

        • You, on the other hand, are a fucking liar who cannot stand the fact that they do not care SOLELY about people like you.

          People like me? Oh sir, do tell… what are “people like” me?

        • “The romances in the game are not for ‘the straight male gamer’. They’re for everyone.”

          “The romances in the game are not for ‘the straight male gamer’. They’re for us.”

          corrected

          • L.

            That’s not “corrected”. That’s you being delusional. That’s you being a fucking self-centered psychopath.

            Fuck you, fuck your pathetic little terrorist campaign, and fuck all of you immature tiny-dicked dudebros bitching about the fact that you don’t get a boner from a fictional female character. You know just as well as I do that you’re fucking scumbags who devote their life to being fucking jackasses about things you can’t stand millions of other people liking.

            You’re a stain on the Earth.

          • you’re fucking scumbags who devote their life to being fucking jackasses about things you can’t stand millions of other people liking.

            actually that’s a perfect description of yourself and SJWs

          • L.

            Then let’s see you spend a day where you don’t harass fans of or obsess over something you don’t like.

            Oh wait, that would require you fucking psychopaths to HAVE A LIFE.

          • Then let’s see you spend a day where you don’t harass fans of or obsess over something you don’t like.

            look in the mirror before you start accusing other people of that

          • I find your use of the word psychopath to be deeply offensive. Check your sanity privilege.

          • RicoSuaveGuapo

            Wee! Someone has their knickers in a bunch.

          • Knickers? More like depends…

            http://i.imgur.com/Y0u6g4k.png

          • Smug

            >wanting to promote ugly things

            hehehe

          • L.

            Congratulations. You have genuinely-racist people cheering you fucking losers on.

            I can’t wait until the day all of you fucking psychopaths have a heart attack over your inability to stop Mass Effect: Andromeda from being a massive critical and commercial success.

          • I’m gonna snapshot this comment for posterity, and see if it holds true after first week sales data emerges for Mass Effect Andromeda. Try not to have an aneurysm if it tanks.

            http://i.imgur.com/amawlk2.png

          • Smug

            I dont give a shit I’m “racist”. So what? Nothing wrong with that, especially when all the tolerance/diversity is destroying countries.

            oh wait i forgot it’s totally (and only) okay to shit on whites :^)

    • Smug

      fuck minorities

  • MakoRuu

    I never once thought they were ugly.

    But Sara from Inquisition was a bit of an acquired taste…

  • lol

    Think for yourselves. The pics of the men are shot in bright lighting, the women in unflattering lighting. The female MC is looking pretty cute here: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/01e378653a4808e79714ddc4ccf3da1100c0db54805a75861c567f1b64ecabf8.jpg

    Peebee is still fucking hideous though

    • EroBotan

      she has too look good all the time. It’s a problem if she’s only looking good when the lightning is right …

    • zaph

      I think Sara Ryder looks fine enough. She doesn’t look like Jayde Rossi though.

    • Ghost

      OMG WHATS WRONG WITH YOUR FACE!

  • Fyrex

    To be fair, dragonage character models have always been ugly and needed mods to really “fix” it. But it is odd that the male character looks more like professional picture, while the female does not. But I will say that she probably does look more “realistic” in a way as we all know that those “professional” pictures are all done with professional make up artists, photographers and almost always some photoshop afterwards. So it’s more likely that she would look like that without all of that, but then again it does show a obvious double standard as well with how they handle the male model and the female model.

    • But it is odd that the male character looks more like professional picture, while the female does not.

      but then again it does show a obvious double standard as well with how they handle the male model and the female model.

      I know right?

      And yet you still got idiots over at TGG article’s comments section who said that it had nothing to do with SJWs and that the ugly females were only because Bioware are “bad at modelling faces”

      Well isn’t it funny how they got the male character model exactly like the real life man?

  • Ohmicron

    The idea is to target the fringe minority? Pure stupidity! Lets target a small audience for a multi million dollar franchise? Someone should be fired immediately for letting brainless political correctness ruin the appeal of the game

    • Stupid isn’t it?

      They should target ALL audiences, that would be the most sensible thing to do in business and PR terms. All gamers will be happy then.

      The problem is that they’re trying to censor and remove anything that caters to straight male gamers and replace with SJW garbage. So what this means is that the straight male gamer audiences has to lose out, just because some SJW parasites got offended by the female characters being sexy.

      That does not sound like “diversity” and “inclusivity” to me.

      But we all know that it’s nothing more than a veiled attack on straight male gamers anyway, you know to erase the “hetero-normative behaviour” by pretending to be the victim and advocating for so-called “diversity” and “inclusion”.

  • Migi

    I mostly only go after the Aliens chicks in the game, But atleast it means i don’t have to bother buying it day!. this is gonna be garbage cheap when i buy it.

  • Slacker28

    Bioware wanted to take things from Witcher 3, hopefully they will also take their artistic sense for character models.

    • dagger906

      You don’t need artistic sense, just common sense. First character preset should appeal to the broadest audience (which is not the feminist portion of audience), various niche preferences should bekept in rest of presets. If your preference happen to be rare enough to not be covered in presets, there’s always the full customize.

      • First character preset should appeal to the broadest audience.

        So that’ll be straight male gamers then.

    • Disqusted

      They’d have to buy out Witcher 3’s character modelers.

  • Lord Vector

    Sadly Mass Effect Andromeda will probably sell fairly well. I think the average gamer isn’t really aware of what an issue this is in the industry.

    • EroBotan

      i agree, that’s how these companies can last this long while ruining games

    • Disqusted

      I think it’s probably safe to assume they lost a pretty decent chunk of their fanbase with the clusterf**k that was Mass Effect 3.

    • LurkerJK

      its going to carry over some nostalgia over the first 3 games sure, but they are also carrying over the effects of the shitty games they made

      Dragon age 3 already showed a huge drop in interest, the game released you barely heard about it since, i found no numbers to talk about the sales but they did quickly dissapear from top ratings

  • SevTheBear

    That guy from Bioware must really love to wear his SJW and feminist slave batch

  • lmao

  • lol, I had a good laugh in the comments section of Robin’s TGG article 2 days ago.

    Basically what happened was shortly after he posted the article up, there was an influx of like 4-5 SJWs (there’s probably more now), one of which who spammed insults towards mostly everyone, myself included. Obviously, I threw in a few retorts myself for the laughs. Robin did as well, lol. XD

    But yeah, 5 years on and this fucking SJW-feminist cancer is not killed. It’s getting really tiresome now. Thankfully, these parasites do not have as much influence as they did 2 years ago. Western developers still need to take the Red Pill though, and remove their tongues from Anita Sarkeesian’s anus. Japanese developers know how to do it right, aside from the granny panties in Star Ocean 5, but everyone makes mistakes right? =)

    SJWs need to stop policing and dictating what is allowed and what isn’t, if they want “Social Justice” and “feminism” in games they need to do it by either:

    A) add their garbage ideas into video game as extras instead of forcing these ideas onto and censoring existing material (i.e. sexy female characters)

    or

    B) make their own games

    If they cannot do that then they need to fuck off out of the Western video games industry altogether. They’ve already made it into a authoritarian police state where developers are forced to accept their ideals, and anyone who doesn’t comply is labelled a “sexist” and “misogynist”. Fuck off with that shit.

    “For [our interviewee] Eva, games are mainly a man’s world. [She says] “They are quite sexist […]. All the women are hot, big boobs and butts […], they’re all slim and flexible. This is totally a hetero guy’s
    stereotypical ideal of a fantasy lesbian.”

    Actually thinking there’s something wrong with straight guys liking sexy women. What a fucking retard.

    Not a bad veiled attempt at attacking the entire male gender whilst pretending to be a victim though.

    “We have a lot of fans, many of whom are neither straight nor male, and they deserve no less attention.”

    […] And if there is any doubt why such an opinion might be met with
    hostility, it has to do with privilege. You can write it off as “political correctness” if you wish, but the truth is that privilege always lies with the majority.”

    Which roughly translates as:

    “We are sexist and racist bigots who hate heterosexual men and we don’t want anything catered to them”

    “Steven Brewis’s character looks a lot like him, even down to the
    stubble. Then, you look at Sara Ryder- and nothing makes any sense.
    Bioware’s representation of Jayde Rossi looks absolutely nothing like
    her. It’s not even remotely close.”

    Because as we all know, double standards mean it’s perfectly okay for feminists and female gamers to drool over ideal male characters.

    When male gamers drool over sexy female characters however it’s a global outrage.

    • SevTheBear

      One of them trolled him pretty good. Even I fall for it.

      I don’t know how much Bioware’s last Dragon game sold or how bad MEA is gonna be. But if they keep going on with this SJW and fem logic, it will be their downfall.

      • Yggdrasil

        The last Dragon Age was BioWare’s most successful and best selling title to date, so I don’t think their too concerned.

        • Except they’ve never released numbers on that. Most successful games have some sort of sales barometer. So I would take it with a grain of salt.

        • MosesZD

          I seriously doubt it. Their sales in Week 1 were the same as DAII which barely sold over a million units. They sold over 4 million of ME & ME2 and close to that in ME3 (and may have finally passed that).

          • SevTheBear

            So it’s save to say that unless MEA has a a terrible sales the first month, nothing is gonna stop them anytime soon.

            Funny thing, the Dead Space series was kill of because DS3 didn’t sell like 7 mil (EA excuse to shutdown the series). I thing DS games sold like 2-3 mil.

    • Yggdrasil

      tl;dr. Didn’t have to read much to realize you’re an idiot. By the way, constantly spewing empty internet buzzwords like SJW only shows that you don’t have the intelligence to provide a reasoned argument. If you think that only straight white males have the right to see their concerns and interests represented in “Western video games,” then you are repugnant on top of idiotic. Why don’t YOU “make [your] own games”? BioWare is making the kind of games they want to make, and you don’t have to like it. They are successful ($$$) developers regardless.

      • EroBotan

        tl:dr. ygdasil is an SJW lol

        • Spotted him/her a mile off

          Anyway this is kind of reminiscent of what happened at
          Robin’s TGG article

          • EroBotan

            thanks for the info about that article, i’m reading it at moment lol

      • you don’t have the intelligence to provide a reasoned argument.

        coming from the same person who said “Didn’t have to read much” and tl;dr’d my comment

      • Disqusted

        Admits not even reading. Opens post with insults, criticizes lack of reasoned argument, then ends post with more insults.

        If the word SJW is so empty, why are you reacting to it? And sorry to burst your tiny bubble, but not only straight white males like attractive people. Contrary to popular SJW belief, straight white males are not the only people in the entire world.

        Companies are making these kinds of games because SJWs like you and in the media bully the hell out of them if they don’t. Don’t turn around and argue that they’re making “what they want to”. Ask most devs and they’ll tell you SJWs made them do it.

      • MosesZD

        Boring BioWare fanboy who has nothing to say about the actual problems but is more than happy to spew insults left-and-right.

      • Tracker

        I’m curious, what demographic was really concerned that female characters are too attractive? Who said “the model the character is based off of is way too hot for us, let’s beat the character with an ugly stick a little bit”???

        [If you think that only straight white males have the right to see their concerns and interests represented in “Western video games,” then you are repugnant on top of idiotic.]

    • Steven Birns

      Probably shouldn’t confuse feminism (The belief in equality of all genders) with Fem Naziism (The belief that all men are evil and should be purged while cloaking yourself as ‘feminist’). We understood the difference way back in the eighties. Perhaps some reeducation is in order!

      • RicoSuaveGuapo

        “Probably shouldn’t confuse feminism (The belief in equality of all genders) with Fem Naziism (The belief that all men are evil and should be purged while cloaking yourself as ‘feminist’).”

        Perhaps in theory. But it’s never been about “equality of all genders” – that would be egalitarianism. Feminism in practice has been about female superiority.

        • Perhaps in theory. But it’s never been about “equality of all genders” – that would be egalitarianism. Feminism in practice has been about
          female superiority.

          Egalitarianism is something that the feminists have always refused to call themselves which pretty much says it all about them

      • Tracker

        Misogyny used to be defined as “hatred of women”, the pathological kind. The word was misused so much they changed the definition to “hatred, prejudice towards, or mistrust of women”. Now the most common uses are: complimenting women, expressing sexual attraction to women (especially from sexually unattractive males), and disagreeing with anyone who calls themselves a feminists.

        Definitions change, and feminism is no longer defined by equality.

        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/17/julia-gillard-australia-misogyny-dictionary

      • ElKonsolero

        “Probably shouldn’t confuse feminism (The belief in equality of all genders)”

        That depends which dictionary you use. There are dictionaries out there who don´t have the “equality of all genders” definition (which in my mind is btw BS to begin with since they don´t really care about male issues and a lot don´t seem to care about gay issues either)

        • That depends which dictionary you use. There are dictionaries out there who don´t have the “equality of all genders” definition (which in my mind is btw BS to begin with since they don´t really care about male issues and a lot don´t seem to care about gay issues either)

          Precisely. Judge feminism by it’s ACTIONS, not the dictionary definitions (and even the dictionary definitions imply that it’s NOT about equality anyway)

          Egalitarianism is the word that means genuine quality for both genders – something that the feminists have always refused to call themselves which pretty much says it all about them

          • ElKonsolero

            You know whenever someone says the marian-webster definition (it´s only thanks to those circles that i know what that is), i can always counter with the Duden (google translated):

            “Direction of women’s movement, which, starting from the needs of the woman, strives for a fundamental change in social norms (eg the traditional distribution of roles) and patriarchal culture”

            See how easy it is to dismantle it!?

      • Spare us the “they are not feminists” excuse

        1) The “real/good feminists” allowed their movement to devolve and degenerate into the misandrist garbage it is

        2) The “real/good feminists” NEVER call out and go against their radical feminists, the ones who do are Unicorns

        3) Radical feminists are the ones who infest, dominate and represent the Western mainstream media, news media, academia, education, politics, government, entertainment media, TV, campaigns, women’s groups, institutions, etc.

        4) The “real/good feminists” do not do and have NEVER done anything about the discrimination against men in the law courts, academia, education, workplace, mainstream media and society

        5) The real/good feminists” stay quiet and do nothing when Mens Right’s meetings and conferences are bullied, harassed and shut down by radical feminists

        6) The “real/good feminists” stay quiet and do nothing when speakers like Christina Hoff Sommers, Paul Elam and Milo Yiannopoulos are bullied, harassed and shut down

        7) 99% all of the feminist groups, institutions and organizations focus on women only and do not give a toss about men’s issues or rights – examples include the ignorance of male genital mutilation, suicide, biased law courts, biased social standing, etc.

        8) “real/good feminists” stay silent and do not anything about radical feminists who constantly peddle myths such as the “wage gap”, “patriarchy”, #killallmen hashtag, and any other made-up issue that is designed to demonize boys/men

        9) The “real/good feminists” are staying silent and doing nothing about the SJW feminists in schools, colleges and universities

        It’s what feminism has devolved into, because the “good feminists”
        have allowed it to happen. So as far as I’m concerned, SJWs, radical feminists, Fem Naziism, Feminazi’s IS
        feminism

        That’s why a lot of people will continue to label feminism as a misandrist hate group, and rightly so

        Come back to me when so-called “real/good feminists” in the professional women’s organizations, institutions and groups unite and make a proper effort to call out and STOP the bad/radical feminists, and actually care for men’s issues/rights and actually affect change first

        Come back to me when I actually see feminism lose control of mainstream
        media, news media, academia, education, politics, government, society
        and entertainment media. Feminism is a billion-dollar industry with
        professional Women’s groups, institutions and organizations all over the
        world. End this crap and make the law courts, academia, workplace,
        society, etc. fair to men in the West, then I’ll start to believe that feminism is about equality

        So until that happens, I will retain my stance that feminism is a misandrist female supremacist movement

      • Smug

        Feminism itself was a mistake

    • GraduateAnalyst

      Japan… not so much. Their aversion to nudity and earthy themes ruins a lot of it. Plus the voices of anime style women are just annoying.

      Poland is king. Witcher 3 is pretty much the standard now.

  • Joe Joejoe

    I don’t need my characters to be super models. But I also don’t want them to look homely. Like Peebee for example, looks like a freakin’ man….almost like uncle fester.

    In fact, I would consider it racially imbalanced, considering all the non white human characters actually do look good. For example, Liam Kosta is clearly made to look particularly handsome, as he has a more proportioned and properly symmetrical face.

    So in realiy, mass effect andromeda’s running theme seems to be to deliberately make white and humanoid characters ugly…..in order to make non white human characters look more attractive. It’s soo not subtle that it’s sickening at how racist it is.

    • Alistair

      You made me laugh peebee does look like him from the Addams family.

      and the name sound like she piss herself.

  • Muten

    A lead designer said that “players can influence the look” of the main protagonist. That sounds like a very bare bones character creation.