Horizon: Zero Dawn Sequel Undecided, According To Guerrilla
Horizon Zero Dawn Sequel
(Last Updated On: March 14, 2017)

Guerrilla Games and Sony have been basking in a lot of critical praise from the media for the PS4 exclusive Horizon: Zero Dawn. They smartly marketed it as a game about a primitive world set amongst cool looking robo-dinos. It’s like a mix between Monster Hunter and The Technomancer. During its first week on the market it outsold The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild in Europe, and quite naturally this led a lot of people to question if a sequel was inbound.

Gaming Conviction snipped a quote from a Kotaku interview where one of the producers, Samrat Sharma, discussed if the game would be getting a sequel. Well, Sharma explains that Guerrilla is undecided about Horizon: Zero Dawn‘s sequel, stating…

“The honest answer to that is that we love the world. The team has a lot of faith in the character and the world we’ve created and there’s a lot of lore that we have that people haven’t seen yet. But we haven’t really sat down and decided what to do next.”

It’s a very odd answer, especially coming off all the critical praise. One would have thought that they would have been greenlit for a sequel right away.

Sharma explains that they have a lot left to explore in the game and a lot more lore to cover, stating…

“There are different machines that we have seen certain behaviours of, that we know have other behaviours that they can exhibit. There are different tribes we’ve seen, and facets to those tribes we haven’t discovered. There are bits of the lore that we know are there, but they’re not in the game, because we didn’t think they suited all the themes yet. There are bits we could explore but we haven’t really decided yet.”

For those of you who conquered the game and watched it through to the end, there’s an after-credit scene featuring one of the lead characters who heavily hints at a sequel, since it ends in a cliffhanger.

Some people are head-over-heels in love with the game, others enjoy the combat and robosaurs but were put off by the game’s swelling use of identity politics and very blatant sociopolitical themes that rear up near the end of the game.

While some people are okay with sociopolitical commentary, others felt that the very obvious feminist slant in Horizon: Zero Dawn detracted from an otherwise good first entry in a new IP. Some have tried to argue that there is no feminism in the game, while others have claimed that they don’t mind identity politics in games so long as the game is fun.

As far as sales are concerned, Horizon: Zero Dawn still managed to hold onto the second place spot in the U.K., sales charts just behind Ghost Recon: Wildlands, as reported by Gamespot.

  1. Ghost Recon: Wildlands
  2. Horizon Zero Dawn
  3. Lego Worlds
  4. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
  5. Grand Theft Auto V
  6. Nier: Automata
  7. FIFA 17
  8. Rocket League
  9. 1-2-Switch
  10. Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare

I’m assuming Sharma’s reluctance to commit to any plans for a sequel will be determined by Sony. Of course, Sony will give the go-ahead if the game likely manages to stay at the top of the sales charts and proves to be a profitable IP.


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  • FlamingoJet

    Why are people already asking for a sequel? Stop with this mentality already. It’s what leads to cookie-cutter games like Asscreed.

    The constant demand for more and more of the same thing.

    God, no wonder nothing is unique anymore and people aren’t willing to take many risks.

    • Disqusted

      True, but I think devs often plan ahead and consider sequels. I know I do, and I still haven’t gotten off my ass to actually make anything.

      It’s especially obvious in games that are lacking in some areas, like they only spent time on what was necessary to sell the game as a “completed product”. Then they patch up and improve stuff in the sequel.

      A good example is the Dragonball Tenkaichi Budoukai/Sparking series. First game was super bare bones, fade to white screen instead of having explosions, serious balance issues, etc. Second game fixed tons of issues, added tons of crap and detail. Third game fine-tuned stuff, added lots more stuff and unique animations for the characters, etc.

  • Bitterbear

    Well.. Maybe on the PS5? Or in PC when Playstation becomes a sort of Steam clone.

  • Phasmatis75

    With the game behind Wildlands it is really telling what direction their sales are heading in. When a very weak title is able to outsell your critically acclaimed game at launch, when another game with the same themes is hailed by gaming community as a far better example with deep undertones and mature narratives, then it becomes blatant that Horizon is not going to make that 8 million and will continue to go out with a whimper.

    The fact that no sequel is confirmed is a huge sign that the game failed. With as much money as Sony dumped into marketing, with the presence the game had at E3s and other shows, for this game to release and not immediately greenlight a sequel is something you should take note of. It means corporate is not happy with something.

    Likely it’s the amount of money they’ve had to dump into marketing because of how unpopular their story was for Horizon and how upset they are that Nier Automata (a fantastic game you should be playing) is garnering more popularity with a fraction of the marketing spent on Horizon.

    Expect word of layoffs and justifications about it being part of the process in the near future about Guerrilla. Possibly some high level departures, but that is my hypothesis.

    • Disqusted

      The impression I get from people who aren’t frothing fanboys is that it’s a so-so game, nothing groundbreaking. Everyone seems to agree the best part is the dinos, which the devs didn’t focus enough on.

      Aloy’s design strikes me as one that would not appeal to many people, but maybe that’s me. She doesn’t sound like an interesting character, the supporting characters don’t sound interetsing, and the story doesn’t sound very interesting either.

      It just doesn’t seem like a game that would hit the right notes with many people. I guess it says a lot about how up themselves the devs are, if they seriously thought their vision for this game was so appealing and would be successful.

      • Phasmatis75

        To me it’s a game that a lot of people are going to love while it is new only to turn around and claim they always hated it in about 6 months. We’re lucky that Nier was here to take the wind out of the games sails, so I foresee this coming sooner than later.

        It’s not a game I see making a lot of money in the long run, nor will it be fondly remembered by many. Even the fanboys will probably be meh in a year or two, when the love wears off.

        Thanks for your opinion, I enjoyed reading it.

      • TheTruth

        why don’t you actually try playing the game first instead of saying it doesn’t “sound” like an interesting character, or it doesn’t “sound” interesting. Bashing a game this good that shits on any other open world game before it without even playing it? that is fucking stupid

    • Jency Victor

      Dude,what the hell are you talking about?The game has been praised by critics and players alike and was the most sold PS4 game since Uncharted 4.The main reason why Ghost Recon is number one in sales is because its multplatform as Xbox,PS4 and the PC supports it while HZD is a PS4 exclusive meaning limited amounts of people are going to be able to get it.And about the sequel,the developers probably didn’t want to go ahead and just announce a sequel until they are sure that the game was a success(which it was).If the orignial wasn’t good or it wasn’t well-rcieved,there is no reason to go around announcing a sequel.I don’t know what nonsense you are talking about but I can tell by your comment that you haven’t seen reviews of the game nor played it and are just being ignorant.Now,I’m not a “fanboy” per say but I enjoy Horizon and think that it is one of the best games I have ever played.Its combat and story is pretty unique and it doesn’t get boring to play.

      • Phasmatis75

        1) Horizon hasn’t even reached 6% of the PS4’s install base

        2) After much hype and advertisement to be toppled from the top of the sales chart within the first two weeks of release is a sign that sales have slowed significantly.

        3) Ghost Recon Wildlands has been panned and it sits at only 292,402 PC sales. Since PC tends to match other platforms we can guess ales around roughly 900k-1mil. For this to beat Horizons sales it means that Horizon’s sales have slowed greatly and it will be lucky to break 4 mil by end of the year.

        4) There will be no sequel. I broke down economically how badly this game failed. Right now estimates are that Horizon is in the hole still by 80 million dollars because of marketing.

        5) Game Journalists are not whom the industry listens too. Most of them are progressives living in San Fransico or LA. The industry has learned quickly all they do is virtue signal and that isn’t translating to sales or financial success. The industry actually listens more to 4chan and 8chan than it does journalists. It listens to Reddit more than it does journalists. Sorry but journalists bending over backwards to praise this game as a success for feminism hasn’t translated into popularity.

        6) If we’re going to appeal to majority then you also lose since 1) 94% not buying the game means the majority lies with me, and 2) the ones that have bought the game the majority agree it’s weak and not that great. You can fanboy all you want about Horizon, but it’s not going to perform any better and with Nier Automata already being recognized as the superior game, it’s no longer a contest.

        7) You are correct, you are a fanatic. A fanboy is passionate but uses reason, you have just used emotion and didn’t research a single fact for your post. Meaning fanatical behavior.

        If it’s one of the best games you’ve ever played I can safely assume you haven’t played many video games. Since the games it borrows from each do the core concepts better and Nier is the superior version of Horizon that doesn’t put politics before narrative, yet still manages to have more awesome female characters than Horizon.

        • jlenoconel

          I agree with you 100%.

  • Disqusted

    The color (or lack of) in that header image looks nasty.

  • SevTheBear

    i have to friends who has played the game. None of seems to see all the gender or race politics that some people are talking about. So toke the chance and got the game myself. Time will if I agree with them on this or not.

    But one think we do agree on is that kid version or Alloy is ugly 😛

    • Disqusted

      Because normal people probably don’t notice until it’s shoved in their faces, which kinda emphasizes how pointless the whole social justice agenda is. People who don’t notice won’t care. People who do notice will get irritated. It only makes things worse.

      • SevTheBear

        So I need to get drunk and smoke some weed before playing, GOT IT.

        • Disqusted

          Oh yeah, and I hear the story goes nowhere until the very end, so it might be because most people haven’t beaten the game yet.

          • SevTheBear

            That one is a classic. Plenty of games does (which is sad).

            I know one of my friends who plays it right now is level 35 and is +20 hours into the game. he is having a blast so far.

            In my experience, it’s hard to avoid (nearly impossible) games with some form of religious, cultural or ideology tone to it’s world, lore or people.
            But as you said, if nobody cares or notice it, it as failed to make an impact. It’s a bit like pissing your pants. It’s a warm feeling, but you are only one noticing it. For everyone else, you pissed yourself and looks like an idiot.

          • if nobody cares or notice it, it as failed to make an impact. It’s a bit like pissing your pants. It’s a warm feeling, but you are only one noticing it.

            Sadly it’s bit more nefarious than that.

            If people say they don’t care and are fine with it, they take it a step further for the sequel. They add in more for the spin-offs, they keep slathering it on like ketchup that blends in with a blood burger.

            It was pretty obvious that they knew most people wouldn’t beat the game right away or beat the game at all. It’s the sort of game a lot people will never conquer, and they were likely betting on that to push the agenda through. You can log 40 hours into Horizon and never get to the important parts of the story near the end, so quite naturally a lot of people will brush off any mention of identity politics.

          • SevTheBear

            Ah a bit like the GTA games. I guess I will know the answer once I jump into the game.

          • Phasmatis75

            It’s a matter of context as much as it is content. It is not that gamers don’t like exploration into philosophical, religious, and cultural ideas. Some of the most popular games do just that. Bioshock explored Libertarianism and the philosophy of Ann Rand, Cryostasis a cult classic had it’s entire narrative be one long philosophy trip about the nature of man, regret, and struggle. More recently there is Nier Automata, which has become so popular because of the maturity by which it’s concepts are presented. I will do no you no diservice by spoiling the game for you, but in ways that meta games have failed in vain, this game successfully will have you consider the ramifications of your action while exploring litterally the notions of culture, human faults, religion, persecution, loyalty, family, and beyond.

            At times Nier is heart wrenching, especially towards ending B where a lot more back story is unveiled for characters in the game, including their motivations, and the plot begins unfolding. I’ve yet to complete the game because of personal time restraints and responsibilities, but it is a deep emotionally driven tale that explores what it means to be human and gamers have responded to this positively.

            Compare that to Horizon, who failed to live up to its design promise, and a game where you play as Second Coming Female Jesus who has to save the world from Evil Satanic Men. There is no deeper story than that. Compared to Nier where you learn the motivation of the main antagonists, both of which are as insanely deep as they are relatable and you come to see what the context difference is.

            Nier, Cryostasis, Bioshock all of these presented an ideology that they explored, allowing you the player to form your own judgments and to think for yourself. Games like Horizon simply tell you your conclusion or shape their narrative in ways that aren’t exploratory, but dictatory. When your game’s entire narrative is men are evil and only women can save the day in a genre where your primary demographic is men and even the women don’t like that bs it’s going to have detractors.

            The fact your friends argue they haven’t found it, isn’t an argument anymore than saying I haven’t found Texas in real life thus Texas must not exist. It is more an argument regarding the caliber of your friends rather than quality of the game. All that people talk about is there, that’s objective, not subjective. Subjectively you can enjoy a bad game, but it doesn’t make it objectively a good game. We like junk food but you don’t see anyone trying to argue that makes it nutriently dense do you?

            Anyway to wrap this up, I welcome explorations of ideologies, I do not welcome propaganda designed to shove a specific outcome down my throat. I especially do not like games whose entire purpose is for the developers to look good to their progressive community that needs to parasitizes off of the majority in order to survive.

          • SevTheBear

            Holy cow that was long 0_0

            I fully understand what you are getting at. I don’t denied that Horizon might have a solid injection of BS under it’s skin. I will know how much when I have played the game myself.

            I must admit I do look more forward to play Nier, Yakuza 0 and Nioh (just got all the games today from amazon) since they are telling very different stories where I have a hard time seeing how SJW and feminist BS ideas should have made their way into them

            So fare I don’t know anyone who has played the Horizon to the end yet. I know two friends who has played it for over 20 hours and they like it. I have even asked them if the have seen anything that reminds them of BIG TIME BULLSHIT. They say they havn’t. Besides that I have read comments about reddit users saying that the game HATES white people (yet you play as one) and all human enemies are white evil men (which I found out was not true). The feminist undertone or “girl power” fantasy is very unconfirmed atm since again none of the friends I know, sites or YouTubers I watch says anything about it.

            My point is, I can’t denied or confirm anything until my friends and I have played the game til the end.

          • Phasmatis75

            You are going to love Nioh. This is just my opinion, but despite it not having the grand feel of Dark Souls, I really loved it’s combat system better. Less wtf hitbox issues, all bosses are fightable in single player without having to be the gaming messiah, and ai was generally fun and engaging. Nier is simply fantastic from start to finished. I just finished it last night (got a bit more content here and there to finish) and the story, world, gameplay, everything in it is simply fantastic.

            There is a scene near the end of the game, I won’t spoil anything for you, but when you get to it (it’s close to ending D, not A) you’ll know what I’m talking about. I watched this unfold and I immediately though, there is no way a western developer could ever pull off this scene. It was just be anti male garbage.

            Remember this, the game does have a happy and satisfying ending and is a massive feels and philosophy trip up till that point. Enjoy. I’ve heard good things about Yakuza 0 but I am too backlogged right now to add more games to my stack. If you can let me know how it was.

            You really can’t rely on Reddit. I solely use it to find out what news is happening and occasionally make the mistake of commenting. Unless I’m browsing a niche board it’s generally a circle jerk experience. You are not going to see condescending views on Horizon on Reddit. The site is basically a leftist circle jerk to the point where even industry experts will tell you that they listen to the chans more so than they listen to reddit.

            Most of the issues with Horizon are subtle until they are blatant. Forced diversity in a tribal society when tribalism is always along racial lines. Subtle incompetent men or evil men that you wouldn’t know it unless you knew to look for it. That’s how predictive programming works. You don’t make it overly overt, you make it subtle and unless you know to be looking for it your friends would probably miss it or write it off as their imagination.

            Frankly I wouldn’t waste money on the game when there are better developers and better games like Nier Automata. Best of luck and I do hope you get some enjoyment out of it. Just because it is objectively a mediocre propaganda game doesn’t mean subjectively we can’t enjoy the hell out of it. Subjectively I enjoy Nioh over Dark Souls, even though in most areas objectively Dark Souls is better.

          • SevTheBear

            I think I lost count on how many times I have seen bad propaganda. Hell I tried my best not to laugh out loud when I was in China xD

            I look forward to play them all even if some of them might disappoint me in some way.

            Nier and Nioh won me over after I played the DEMO, so I expect a lot of fun from them 🙂

            Yakuza 0 looks and sounds weird and silly enough that I had to try it + the soundstrack is good.

            If Horizon is really bad, I got “shitty game” sticker ready to smack on to it 😉

            A Gamers job is never done https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/772cd2d3a0357617c93c169f8b1820114a5499553509dedd5d62a1d4db3cec88.png

          • Phasmatis75

            You want bad propaganda play Dead Island and Call of Juarez the Cartel (which is actually used as the textbook example of a propaganda game).

            Sadly it’s true. Our job is never done, but I like this quote from Heat Streat: Gamers smell shit better than dung beetles” It’s true, we can smell it miles away, even through time. It’s not like I want Horizon to be horrible. If they released a version that stripped away all the bs, I’d celebrate and rush out to get it…okay maybe not since my back log is huge, but still I’d get it sooner than later.

            Bit of advice with Nier Automata. After ending A there are 4 more endings you have to get by continuing to play the game. The greatest bits of the story are getting toward endings C and D. To ending A it’s a deep, but enjoyable experience, B cranks up the feels, and C-D go full feels trip. E gives the game a satisfying ending.

          • SevTheBear

            For the most Gamers are good at smelling BS from away. Other times we first see it when it’s to late.

            I think the game with most BS in the back is Bioware’s MEA. Feminist writer and racist gameplay designer.

            Nier Sounds good. Looking forward to it (it’s staring at me )

          • Phasmatis75

            Agreed, Technomancer stands out as a game I didn’t smell BS from until it was too late to get a refund. By the third act your character is spouting progressive dribble, killing any sense of immersion or role playing.

            MEA is a disaster. Giving early access was probably their greatest mistake, but they wanted so desperately to push Origin that they shot themselves in the foot in regards to MEA sales. Now everyone can see how bad their game is, can see how racist their developers are. They can’t suffer the consequences of their actions fast enough. Even SJW journalists are eating them alive for not being progressive enough.

            I hope you enjoy Nier. English voice cast is horrible, but if it has duel audio like the Japanese version i’m sure you’ll enjoy it.

          • SevTheBear

            *Bioware has Confirm the racist Game Designer is no longer with bioware* Yeah because that’s gonna fix the Game 😛

            Oh I really hope Hier has that. If you can’t get good english voice acting for your Game, stick with good old Japanese

          • Phasmatis75

            I loved listening to the Japanese voices. They emote, the English cast doesn’t emote. I asked my brother who didn’t switch the dialog to Japanese how he would stand listening to those voice actors.

            Nier: Automata was one of the best games I have played in years. It embodies challenge while being approachable, has good combat, wonderful characters, a dark sense of humor and enjoyed taking you on a long feels trip. I hope you deeply enjoy the game as much as I did.

          • SevTheBear

            I am lucky to have it on PS4 (while the PC is not so lucky). Fun combat, world and a lot to things to think about. A journey I don’t wish to end anytime soon 🙂

          • Phasmatis75

            Glad you’re enjoying it. It gets better after Ending A if that at all seems possible.

          • Phasmatis75

            Agreed, Technomancer stands out as a game I didn’t smell BS from until it was too late to get a refund. By the third act your character is spouting progressive dribble, killing any sense of immersion or role playing.

            MEA is a disaster. Giving early access was probably their greatest mistake, but they wanted so desperately to push Origin that they shot themselves in the foot in regards to MEA sales. Now everyone can see how bad their game is, can see how racist their developers are. They can’t suffer the consequences of their actions fast enough. Even SJW journalists are eating them alive for not being progressive enough.

            I hope you enjoy Nier. English voice cast is horrible, but if it has duel audio like the Japanese version i’m sure you’ll enjoy it.

          • SevTheBear

            Okay I am 10 hours in. So fare all the *Evil white men* is BS. Plenty of Lara Croft like women and stereotypes, so nothing new there. The game do have a bit of GIRL POWER over it, bu not as bad as some make it out to be.

          • “Evil white men” trope doesn’t pop up until near the end.

          • SevTheBear

            We have seen plenty of white men being the bad guys in the past. So because the main lead is a women (which is also white).

            So does that mean only white people are smart enough to use tech and command it in Horizon 😛

          • So does that mean only white people are smart enough to use tech and command it in Horizon 😛

            OMG…. I really don’t want to spoil the game for you dude. It’s just… it’s all in the portrayal. When you get there you will know exactly what I’m talking about… it’s really hard to miss.

            Yeah a lot of white guys have been evil in the past and usually it’s whatever, but they really wanted to drive that point home in Horizon. You’ll see it when you get there.

          • SevTheBear

            I already thing I got a pretty good guess how the story will unfold. But if the ending is as bad as you say I will be ready with my *SJW BS* sticker https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b5f13d4062eaa58f085021355325e7b4a6b0765d22a32c8b73d853af1fa60dac.png

    • Are your friends aware of the SJW/feminist politics that’s going on in the video games industry?

      Because if they’re not, then they won’t see it. They are probably the “oh it’s so refreshing and great to see a strong female lead” types.

      However if they are aware of the SJW politics then they need to remove the tunnel vision.

      • SevTheBear

        I just don’t think they care about it. They just want a game that is fun to play

        • Disqusted

          This. Most people just want to play games to escape and stay ignorant of all the stupid political bullshit.

          • SevTheBear

            Amen

      • jlenoconel

        That’s not the only issue though. Horizon Zero Dawn hasn’t sold well in America at all. I get the idea that a lot of American males don’t wanna play as a female lead, if these numbers are anything to go by.

    • Phasmatis75

      Have they finished the game?

      • SevTheBear

        one of them is +20 hours in and is level 35 I think. He really likes the game so fare.

      • SevTheBear

        27 hours in now. So fare a lot of stereotypes (mostly Africans and Asians), 1 quest with a gay dude and a shit ton of destroyed robo dinos and animals.

    • Ashley Carter

      Anti-SJW types, just like SJWs and feminists, will see something to be offended at in anything they look at.

      Horizon didn’t have to shove gender/race politics throat for it to be accused of doing so by people like OP, just like Princess Zelda being rescued sometimes isn’t misogyny despite people like Anita Sarkeesian claiming that it is.

      • SevTheBear

        You got a point

        Have spent +20 hours with the game now. I will say that the only crime Horizon commits is the amount of stereotypes is has xD

        • Ashley Carter

          Yeah, I feel like it leans to heavily on tropes sometimes. The side quests (while usually well-written) aren’t super original in general.

          The game is still fun though, and people who see anything more than light political/social messages (which are pretty common in games) are projecting.

          • SevTheBear

            The side quests ain’t to bad.But as you said, they have a habit of leaning heavily on these tropes in these quests.

            The Political and social element has always been a thing. Of course some games has more of it than others. Either by being serious or making fun of it (GTA and Bioware games). But I will say it has gotten more attention and focus since 2014. The only games that seem to be mostly unaffected, is from Japan.

            I do enjoy Horizon myself. Of course I have to admit that there is some Political and Social messages in the game + a bit girl power. But nothing that we haven’t heard a million times before in other games, movies or TV shows. I am 27 hours in now and don’t think I am even 50% done with the main story. So I can’t say if the ending is a big middle finger or not. But so far I haven’t seen og heard anything that I find “offensive” or “Triggering”. Not sure I will think so much about it since I got 6 other PS4 games waiting for me right after this one 😛

          • So I can’t say if the ending is a big middle finger or not. But so far I haven’t seen og heard anything that I find “offensive” or “Triggering”.

            I don’t think there’s anything offensive or triggering about how it portrays its politics, but it’s kind of obvious where they lean with them in Horizon: Zero Dawn. People will either accept it and go on or shrug it off.

          • SevTheBear

            It’s true if you put it under a loop glass. But if they don’t go any further with these ideas, it could be a good trilogy. But we will have to wait and see. With SONY you never know. The shit bomb known as GB2016 is a lesson I hope they have learned from.