Open Discussion: March 26th, 2017
(Last Updated On: March 26, 2017)

This is the fifth Open Discussion, and like always, folks can bring up whatever it is that is pressing. The conversation(s) can be on topic or off topic, if you want, and you will face no censorship for speaking your mind on whatever it is that you are talking about or discussing.

I know this week was supposed to be about video game music, but it looks like it will get pushed for another topic… one more time. I say this because I’m currently reviewing Yooka-Laylee and was given a key before the devs started acting up, but I’m currently halfway through and can’t speak about it due to NDA stuff. However, I was talking to another person on another site about devs acting up and it led us to DLC.

We were talking about if the gaming industry faced a clean slate and was wiped of all cucks, what would prevent it from going back to how it is now? One of the many things that can help it revert or go back is developers abusing their fans with DLC. As of course we know that SJWs play a big part in destroying stuff, but something that’s become increasingly apparent and moving like a freight train is developers who openly abuse fans with DLC — which is just as poisonous as the above.

Having played both Destiny and Star Wars Battlefront from DICE and EA, I have a good amount of knowledge of how shallow the two were when they released, and how DLC was used to take advantage of fans of both games. And with the two said games gearing up to obtain a sequel, it is only likely that the hazardous cycle continues.

While there are other devs out there like CD Projekt Red who have gained gamers’ trust with how they handle DLC — where folks got a full month of free DLC for the Witcher 3 and added content that wasn’t shallow — it still remains that there are others out there like Crapcom abusing downloadable content.

Bringing it back to Destiny and Star Wars Battlefront, we see that the DLC policy was so atrocious that even movie critique Jeremy Jahns had to speak out against it, and his channel is primarily about movies — but he even noticed the BS of video game DLC!

I know microtransaction is a deadly thing too, but that will have to be saved for another time. The problem with DLC is that it is being used to split up the community to prey on the minds of the weak so that they can pocket money on content that should have been in the game from the start, which is wrong.

According to an analyst that worked in the CPG industry back in the day, who goes by the name of POPPASHANGO, he came over to Jahns’ video to talk about DLC, . He noted some interesting things that I’m sure most people who use their brain already figured out. But you can read what he had to say below — although it is long.

“I spent 10 years as a analyst in the Consumer Packaged Goods industry. I used sales data to track movement, improve position, facings adjust price point etc. I would then take my recommendations back to the manufacturer so they can maintain sales and presence. If there is one thing that I took away from all that is that Jeremy is EXACTLY right! It is what you have in your pocket that is what they want. It was my job the keep the money flowing from your pocket theirs with tweaks to the product on the shelves.

 

However, I imagine today that my job would be much easier than it was 20 years ago when I was doing it. Over the last 20 years because of my experience in the industry I always pay attention to trends. Not the latest trends etc..I was an analyst so I was on the other side of the fence. At first it was so subtle that I did nit notice it. But then it became very apparent to me. The trend of repeat buying.

 

What I mean by this is the industry very cleverly convinced the new consumer generation that anything more than a year or two old is no longer good. Even though it may work fine, you have to replace it if you want to keep up. The cellular phone industry has taken this strategy and literally beaten it to death out in the street in front of millions of witnesses waiting in line to trade in perfectly good phone to get the latest phone. Those that don’t want to fall inline will eventually out of peer pressure, some form of incitement like and extra gig of data or for the diehards, the next update will just fuck it up because it needs to be latest phone. Oh and if anyone did any recent updates you may have noticed a message saying once you do it you can’t go back to the prior if it fucks up your phone. Makes you think. Automotive industry does the same thing. The cars run out of warranty and start having issues just as you are nearing the last payment. So you get a new one and start over with a 60 month payment plan.

 

You see I am older so I have seen the difference. My parents had the same fridge for 27 years while I have bought 4 because they broke down. I saw an un-restored 1965 buick driving down the street yesterday and I cannot remember the last time I saw a 1983 Prelude…. I think it back during the Rodney King riots in Los Angeles. People have been convinced that things do not and are not suppose to last anymore.

 

Now here we are with Battlefront. Which as Jeremy has pointed out is an amazing example of this strategy. Not only did we all pay (I bought the original) full price for the game buy as soon as we put it in the console and fired it up EA blatantly showed us we only bought a portion of the actual game and showed us everything that we will be paying full price for down the road….everything! And people did it. I woke up and never bought anymore DLC.

 

The thing that angers me the most is that people have been lulled into thinking we have no choice. They don’t like it..but yet they pay for it anyway and EA collects the money. What manufacturers have cleverly done is convinced people that there is nothing they can do about it. That is a lie. I worked with manufacturers and know what they will do when their sales start to drop. They use to get desperate and do things like BOGO’s (Buy One Get One) and give a free second package at the price of one… just to keep you interested. The gaming industry uses DLC. But the twist is they charge you for it. But I can tell you this… If EVERYONE agreed not to buy any DLC… any of it. EA would give it to everyone for free. Just to keep you interested EA games. They have made everyone think they are powerless…when the truth is the power is in your wallet. Don’t give it to them.

 

I have seen this work in LA when gas stations hike prices up. They would announce on radio stations not to tell you to not buy gas…that’s stupid. But to tell you not buy gas from Arco, Shell and Texico for a week… buy it from a competitor. The prices would fall in a day or two. The problem with gaming is you have so many people that have fallen into the trance of DLC they will open their wallets anyway. This will continue unless we all show some unity and stop buying DLC.”

And to add to the above, if we continue to buy poisonous DLC that hurts not only the consumer, but the gaming industry as a whole, then we are allowing for future titles and companies to walk up and divide games that should not be divided by DLC in a poisonous way to double (if not triple) in the future.

When April 11th rolls around and the NDA is lifted I’ll speak my piece about Yooka-Laylee, but with Destiny 2 and Star Wars Battlefront 2 gearing up to come out this year, I can see where the devs could potentially pull more hazardous DLC moves that a lot of people will buy into, which we do have the power to stop this trend of half-done games filled with glitches that are partially fixed through paid DLC, it’s called speaking with our wallet.


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  • Ghost

    I spent three hours last night on steam going through my queue’s. Nothing but platformers, which I am completely sick and tired of. I really would like a new RPG series that immerses me as much as Kotor 1-2 and ME did. Ideas?

    • Have you tried The Witcher? They’re almost always on sale.

      Torment Tides of Numenera is said to be good, along with Wasteland 2.

      I really enjoyed the Shadowrun: Dragonfall expansion… there were some good stories in that one and the plot unfolded in a pretty cool way.

      • Ghost

        I was going to start my first witcher 2 playthrough, which I’ve owned for years now, but I accidentally deleted my witcher 1 savefiles a while back. And there were a lot. I played the shit out of that game. Can’t get through it again, not yet.

  • Dreiko

    I am of the view that if someone is dumb enough to buy games like Battlefront, they deserve to be ripped off.

    You don’t HAVE to play AAA games, you don’t need to buy all this useless dlc. Just play the games that don’t do this or that offer actual content that was created post-release as dlc.

    In my history I have mainly bought two types of dlc. One is new fighting game characters in games like Blazblue, the other being huge expansions like the ones done by Bethesda that come down a year or so after the game releases.

    What is appalling is that most dlc people buy is either cosmetic or added to do something that you can already do by grinding. Just play the games and try your best and if the game has an absurd grind ratio that makes it impossible to keep up without spending real money then just play something else.

  • EroBotan

    King’s raid is decensored, probably thanks to the impeachment of that feminist president of korea? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x0vJyHEk3A

    • Interesting. Thanks for the link.

      • EroBotan

        no problem!

  • durka durka

    sony is the worst on this, with timed exlusive and full exlusive dlc even timed exlusive vr.

  • Gaijin-

    This may be a bit off-topic, but as annoying as DLC malpractices are, I find it much more aggravating when a game is released full of bugs a la Fallout 4 or, more recently, ME Andromeda.

    Something that I especially struggle to understand is that, with any other type of product, if offered a defective item most of us will either walk away or demand a discount. With videogames, however, not only we are happy to pay full price but also praise the developer for “releasing free patches” to fix the game, which to me is the bare minimum.

    • EroBotan

      with video games there is another factor involved, fanboyism.

    • With videogames, however, not only we are happy to pay full price but also praise the developer for “releasing free patches” to fix the game, which to me is the bare minimum.

      It depends on the game, the size of the project, and the tech behind the game. I’m forgiving to devs who spent years working on it and millions on developing new tech. There are bound to be issues unaccounted for. What I’m not forgiving toward are copy-pasta games running on tried and tested tech with lots of DLC packed on and season passes and microtransactions hanging out of every digital orifice.

  • Disqusted

    I hate DLC. The only game I recall ever buying DLC for is Phantom Breaker because it was something like $1 for my favorite character.

    That doesn’t count wasting money on stupid MMO shit because they lock important basic shit behind paywalls all the time. I avoid it as much as possible.

    Thing is, I don’t think anybody minds showering companies with money if they provide good quality stuff that people enjoy. But they don’t do that, they vomit out this mindless slag designed to force people to pay money to improve that slag. Doesn’t help that most games nowadays are so f**king shit. My friends also have insane trouble finding any decent games anymore. Then again, I don’t friend people who are gullible enough to fall for mainstream bullshit.

    This topic kinda reminds me of something I wanted to say a while back, but forgot. The other day, I was browsing Unreal Engine 4’s blog, and they kept going on about amazing innovations in the gaming industry. I only glanced at it briefly, but it looked like it was all graphical/workflow stuff.

    That was right after I saw Billy say that gaming has barely innovated anything since Crysis. There are innovations being made, yes… but it seems like most of them are meaningless to consumers, who don’t understand or care about those things.

    As a creator myself, I appreciate when workflow is made easier, and more things become possible. But at the same time, there’s clearly not enough innovation in other areas that non-creators can appreciate and understand. It feels like little more than elitist big dick rubbing if only creators can appreciate each other’s work.

    I mean, it’s all good if we have technological advances alongside everything else. But a lot of recent stuff just feels like “we did this because we wanted to show off the tech”, and the rest is empty, shallow crap.

  • TylorW

    Random thought:

    Going off a little discussion that was had yesterday about good fights and all, you know a thought I had that I’m hoping comes true?

    What if the Avengers lose in The Infinity Wars movie, and affects the MCU as a whole from thereon until Avengers 4 (which I’m assuming will be the finale of the MCU)?

    While the Avengers have had some struggles with villains so far, they have never faced anyone that outright wrecked their shit (New York was the closest they’ve come to losing). What Thanos now brings to the picture is a villain who can take EVERYTHING they could possibly throw at him, and just brush it off like a piece of lint that got on his shirt. Thanos has a whole army that he can bring with him to Earth, and there’s no way to stop them this time. HE’S the endgame. HE’S the final boss. So he HAS to show that he can beat Earth’s best without breaking a sweat.

    Why? Because it sets a entire new precedent for the MCU onwards. Earth will be Thanos’ playground, and anyone who wants to stand up to him and his army, or even innocent bystanders, won’t be safe anymore. The heroes’ will can be tested as they could join him to hopefully save themselves and people they love, or they could fight and possibly lose everything they hold dear.

    It’s an idea that would take a shit-ton of time and effort, but I think it would make the payoff of finally defeating Thanos in a long, grueling battle, after him causing so much suffering all the more satisfying.

    • Sounds risky… but I like it.

      It would sure beat the safety-net style storytelling they’ve been using so far (maybe with the exception of Civil War). I just hope they don’t cop out in a dumb way and weaken Thanos.

      • TylorW

        Sweet jesus they better not nerf him. That would be the ultimate disappointment of the MCU in my eyes.

  • TylorW

    Two things:

    1. Did anyone here happen to see Power Rangers over the weekend?

    I was very skeptical to the point of not wanting to watch it, but a quick look into Cinemassacre and Linkara’s reviews of it won me over. And boy, I was glad I changed my mind.

    It honestly felt like watching Mighty Morphin Power Rangers back in the day, despite the changes made to the film. The two greatest strengths that it had were that they allowed time for the characters to grow and become both friends and a team, and they still had time to put in some nostalgia for us fans of the original. I hope it does well because I really want to see how they’ll tackle the next arc.

    2. I stayed away from buying DLC from shooters, as it usually doesn’t hold my interest long enough for it to be worth it. For DLC in general…..hard to say really. One of the few times I remember enjoying the DLC thoroughly was the True Ending DLC for Asura’s Wrath.

    I know that one in particular get’s a lot of flak because of it being DLC, but from what I understand, they didn’t get the sales for a sequel to be viable, so they decided to close out the story this way instead. And My God…did they end this game in the most spectacular way I’ve ever seen in a video game to this day. I came out of that DLC with probably the biggest smile, as well as a tear in my eye possibly, for how satisfied I was with the ending. Best $7 I ever spent in my life. 🙂

    • Disqusted

      Nope, I don’t watch new movies. Still got some old ones I’ve been meaning to watch, but don’t want to put aside everything to focus on a movie for two hours.

  • LurkerJK

    The problem is not just DLC for “next gen”, now we are getting Early AAAccess games, bugged to hell on release (sometimes never to get fixed), missing basic components and having plots without a proper ending as it was cut out for dlc, a sequel or a future update

    What incentive they have for working on the game once you bought it ?, the second they think they cannot get any more money out of you its over, the game is left as it is, so why buy day 1 and risk this when you can buy in a year and know what you are getting (for a fraction of the price)

  • giygas

    Microtransactions are cancer. Games with microtransactions that let you grind for hundreds of hours to unlock a small portion of the DLC content are possibly even worse, because then you have shit-eating apologists crawling out of the woodwork to disingenuously tell you that you can unlock everything without paying.

    CCG? More like Collectible Cancer Games! Fuck that shit.

    • giygas

      Hell, I hate games that require grinding to unlock shit in general.

      “HURR you have to work for it. This generation just wants an easy life where everything is handed to them on a silver platter.”

      Fuck you, I already worked for the money I used to pay for this game. I play games for fun and to unwind, not to have a part-time job that doesn’t pay money.

      This Skinner Box shit is designed to trick people into thinking they made a big accomplishment when really all they did was repeat the same stale
      scenarios until an arbitrary number increments enough times. It’s a cheap and lazy way to pad a game, but it works because it preys upon people with addictive personalities.

  • Hawk Hopper

    The Yooka-Laylee controversy followed quickly on the heels of the Mass Effect controversy. Game devs and publishers, both “indie” and corporate are really showing how shitty they are with PR.

    00

    For whatever reason, I really want to play the PS2 SOCOM games. I only played them once back in the day when I went to a friend’s house. I don’t even have a PS2.

    00

    You won’t have shitty facial animations if you focus on gameplay and not a shitty story.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5cd1e5fc637ab147a5f0aab69a94f8774266ae186959397b94e464b7dcd1695b.jpg

    • Well you’ve got a story, facial animations, characters and gameplay that just aren’t that impressive in ME: Andromeda, yet there are still people defending it. Objectively speaking, other than the environments, just about everything is worse compared to the presentation of the original Mass Effect 1… yet people are making excuses for this.

      When it gets to a point where people are defending worse craftsmanship on a game that’s a decade removed from its original, it’s time to just “nope” right on out and go stick with the classics.

      I was looking forward to Ghost Recon and For Honor but I’m now going to go back to my back catalog of games because everything these days just seems to be made to suck, and too many shills and fanboys are blinded by the corporatism to see through all the BS.

      • GodBowser

        Was thinking about going back to the original Mass Effect trilogy and seeing if I could make my female Shepard look like Yandere-Chan

        That bitch Liara looked at my senpai… SHE MUST DIE!!…

        • LurkerJK

          I tried going back myself, i could not swallow the combat and the mako, they are so bad -_-, and i had forgotten about the elevator simulation

          • Disqusted

            I tried playing Mass Effect 1 so many times, but the PC version is such a mess. Horrible mouse smoothing. Hated the vehicle segments, too.

      • giygas

        This game is YouTube Poop quality.
        https://twitter.com/nuleet/status/844972396150951936

      • too many shills and fanboys are blinded by the corporatism to see through all the BS.

        Maybe I’m being a bit harsh here, but I think these shills and fanboys are just as much of a cancer as the corporatism.

        Same applies to the censorship apologists and the “I don’t care” / “just ignore them” brigade regarding SJWs.

      • Hawk Hopper

        I liked the first two Mass Effect games, but I only played about an hour of ME3. I won’t be playing any of the new one.

        With For Honor, I heard that game was always online. If that’s true, the game is living on stolen time.

        The new Ghost Recon would interest me if it wasn’t just Assassins Creed or Far Cry 3 with the the Ghost Recon name slapped onto it. I somewhat liked Ghost Recon: Future Soldier, but a lot of it sucked, which seems to be the trend with most recent Ubisoft games.

    • Keystone

      Those PS2 SOCOM games were good, I really wish they’d make a sequel. Same with Sierra’s old SWAT series. Those 2 series, given competent developers, could make a good comeback.

      • Hawk Hopper

        I would love to see the return of slower paced, tactical gameplay.

  • Migi

    DLC is the reason i stopped buying games day1, Not to mention mostly western title’s. let’s be honest i’d rather wait a year for the complete deal with their GOTY editions.

    • LurkerJK

      Same here, wtf pay 60 bucks now for an bugged early access version of the game when you can get the finalized version in a year or two for 1/3rd of the price

      There is never a moment when i dont have something else to play so nothing is rushing me

      • Migi

        I know what you mean, i have such a big backlog that i could go on for years without buying any new game day1.

        Only ever buy a few day1, kinda Nier automata or Yakuza 0 considering those kinda games need the sales.