Yooka-Laylee Devs Ban And Censor Gamers After Removing JonTron From Game
Yooka Laylee Censorship
(Last Updated On: March 23, 2017)

If there’s one way to make enemies with your own customers, it’s to take a hard political stance and then begin enacting censorship and bans for anyone practicing wrongthink. This appears to be the case with Playtonic, who opted to remove popular YouTuber Jon-Tron from the upcoming Yooka-Laylee over comments he made on Twitter, and then they began censoring the forums and banning users who protested their move.

GamesIndustry.biz received word from Playtonic, who stated…

“We recently became aware of comments made by voice artist JonTron after development on Yooka-Laylee had been completed, […] “JonTron is a talented video presenter who we were initially, two years ago, happy to include as a voice contributor in our game. However, in light of his recent personal viewpoints we have made the decision to remove JonTron’s inclusion in the game via a forthcoming content update.”

JonTron, real name Jon Jafari, has been labeled by the media as a racist and white nationalist, despite being an Iranian immigrant. JonTron released a video explaining himself, which you can view below.

Regardless of JonTron’s attempt to quell the fires and quench the thirst for those seeking witch hunts, Playtonic had already decided to toe the political line rolled out by mainstream media and removed JonTron’s character from Yooka-Laylee.

Playtonic stated…

“We would like to make absolutely clear that we do not endorse or support JonTron’s personal viewpoints and that, as an external fan contributor, he does not represent Playtonic in any capacity. Playtonic is a studio that celebrates diversity in all forms and strives to make games that everyone can enjoy. As such, we deeply regret any implied association that could make players feel anything but 100% comfortable in our game worlds, or distract from the incredible goodwill and love shown by our fans and Kickstarter backers.”

Some found this to be an interesting reaction given that when former BioWare designer, Manveer Heir, made openly hostile and racist remarks against whites, he was supported by the studio heads, and managed to finish up his work on Mass Effect: Andromeda before leaving the studio, without any public reprimanding from the developers.

Nevertheless, JonTron responded, kindly wishing them the best with their launch.

A lot of fans came out in support of JonTron after Playtonic announced that they would be removing his character from the game based on comments he made that they didn’t agree with, politically.

The community manager for Playtonic responded by deleting the threads and banning users. User Punished Stitch posted up the image of the ban he received for saying that that Playtonic was pushing an ideological agenda.

This issue is gaining traction as other users are also expressing discontent over being censored for supporting JonTron, and being displeased with a game they financially backed turning into a sociopolitical platform.

Name Change [backup] started up a thread, writing…

“So just because someone has a different ♥♥♥♥ing view than you guys you’re gonna remove them from your game and then also ban people on steam? what the ♥♥♥♥ is that ♥♥♥♥?”

Others have become disgruntled that politics are literally ruining their favorite pastime, with The Trippy Pyro [backup] writing…

“ I hate politics. they make awesome people look bad, the best of friends enemies, and are completely unnecessary. i love you guys. and no doubt this game will be amazing. but…. yeesh. i dont think jon would have made bad comments in your game. I mean, this is purely why i dont like politics. they cause more headaches than they are worth. i’d keep jon in, regardless of what he said you guys NEED to be professionals and keep him in.”

Others like BDRK9 have made it known that the blatant political stance made by Playtonic would mean that he would no longer support them or their games, stating in a thread

“Go ahead. Lock this thread like all the others. Try to censor us. Try to stifle discussion. Ignore the outrage. Ignore your lost profits too. Just know that you will never – for any reason,at any point, in any way – get a single dime out of me.”

It appears as if Playtonic will continue to double down and divide their community over choosing to remove JonTron from the game.

Gamers who had hoped to play Yooka-Laylee and escape from the divisive politics currently ruining the gaming community – egged on by sites like Polygon, Kotaku, the Wall Street Journal and Rock, Paper, Shotgun – will be disappointed knowing that the game now has a very staunch political stance. Some have said that Playtonic coming out as Social Justice Warriors (SJW for short) has sealed the deal for them and they will be canceling their pre-orders, issuing refunds and no longer supporting the developers.

Yooka-Laylee is due for release on April 11th for home consoles and PC.


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  • Christopher Thompson

    To be fair, firing Manveer Heir in the middle of the game being made would have caused delays and cost the company a lot of money. Not to mention he was likely under contract and his twitter posts most likely didn’t violate said contract.

    It is why after the game was completed he announced he no longer worked for Bioware and is starting an Indie Game Company. Most likely no one wants to hire him.

  • Abekrie Rivich

    I not only got banned from the Yooka-Laylee discussion boards for an “Irrelevant Discussion”, but I had all of the posts I ever made in the discussion boards removed alongside the offending thread.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/82471e8cd50710cfa95d5ed4f015bbbba8ecad3e12f418c8c2392542dfdb1ee6.png
    It doesn’t help that the moderator helped put gasoline on the fire with his mass banning in the start, and he’s acting like nothing was his fault. It’s just “abuse” going his way… right. Don’t censor people while acting unprofessional, and you won’t be getting people angry in the first place.

    Thanks, Jonno. Still waiting for a response to my ban appeal.

  • Gerg Arata

    Remember when video games weren’t political battlegrounds? Good times…

  • Pratim Gupta

    Walking the path of Bioware, insulting your own fanbase

  • Fear Me I Am Free

    I could understand if Jontron was intentionally being a racist piece of shit, but he wasn’t. He had put forth a different opinion that some saw as racist as then was pounced on by SJWs and the media.

  • fnd

    So the devs will forfeit more money paying a new voice actor and take a hit in their income over enraged fans in the name of SJW? I kinda admire this kind of commitment, too bad it is for a rotten cause. Maybe i’ll pity pirate this game in the near future.

  • MusouTensei

    Kinda scray how a dev team can go from Great to Trash in 1 second, oh well, there are other games to buy, all made in japan. Seriously Horizon could have been the only western game I bought in 2017, I’m really sick of the politicised western industry.

  • Hawk Hopper

    Jim

  • durka durka

    “We recently became aware of comments made by voice artist JonTron”

    and? Last time i checked will wheaton and adam baldwin did voice acting in the same game, so what? They are not developing the game they are not characters in the game, they do the voice acting.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2yytvx/wil_wheaton_and_adam_baldwin_voice_acting_in_the/

    Seriously wtf?

  • Cinj

    Kickstarter was a mistake.

    Also, I’ll repost something I wrote about this issue on another site:

    The cold, hard reality of “content updates”. At any time in the future, the game you purchased may be modified to suit the political ideology of the day.

  • Souvik Roy Choudhury

    Yup, will not buy anymore. Also Devs are now on permanent ignore list. Fuck them.

  • Migi

    When you take a taboo subject and discusse them to the extreme’s, there is always some moron who is gonna take them out of context.

  • John

    You retards in the comments are the right-wing version of the Oscars so white thing.

  • Rabaid Sidhe

    Something I noticed looking over the forums is all the bans and tread locks I saw were from a Jonno.
    This Guy:
    http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198276081209

    Note that he is with the game’s publisher and not Playtonic.
    While Playtonic themselves have made what I see as a very bad move, I think awful management of the steam forums isn’t their doing.

  • Shame, was really looking forward to playing this.
    Kind of funny that people responsible for a game like Conker’s Bad Fur Day would pull something like this.

  • Meteor

    Another game to stay away from.

  • Mike Campbell

    i can believe people are defending racism here, but if it was a guy like manveer who criticize white people, you be all over him and demanding him to be fired from his job

    • Disqusted

      Did Manveer cite statistics?

      Can you be a little more elaborate about how Jon Tron was “racist”? Because you keep saying he’s racist, but I don’t have a clear view of where you’re coming from.

      • Mike Campbell

        Who cares about statistics is still to think all black people are criminals just because you pull facts out your ass,

        • Disqusted

          Exactly. Who cares about statistics?

          Did he say he thinks all black people are criminals? I’m asking because I honestly don’t know. If he did say that specifically, then that’s racist.

          If he said something else vague, that could be INTERPRETED as that, then that’s not necessarily racist.

          • Mike Campbell

            Yes, and it rubs me the wrong way as a fan of his and black

          • Disqusted

            You’re absolutely sure he said that, and didn’t hear it from someone else who said he said that?

            If he really did say that, then it’s racist. Obviously not all black people are criminals.

            Besides, even if someone is a criminal, it’s more about social/cultural/economical environment than anything else.

            I’m not a Jon fan, by the way. I’ve seen him talk about stuff once or twice, and seen other people talking about him, and he seemed okay from what I’ve seen.

            That Destiny guy was totally full of shit though. Now that guy is racist as hell. No doubt about it. He made up some bullshit about Japan when he clearly knows absolutely nothing about Japan. Hate people like that. If he doesn’t know, just admit it. Don’t make up shit, slander an entire country and perpetuate myths.

        • durka durka

          “Who cares about statistics”

          “just because you pull facts out your ass,”

          “All black people are criminals”

          LOL

    • Michael P

      Nope.

      Personally speaking I’ve never called for Manveer’s head but what’s good for the goose, is good for the gander. If Jon goes, so should Manveer.

      • Disqusted

        Maybe I’m wrong, but I think most people are probably like, Manveer is entitled to his views, as long as he does his job properly. Even if he’s a piece of shit asshole. If that bugs you enough, don’t buy the product. That’s how most people react. Or SHOULD react.

        It becomes a problem when someone like him changes the game to suit his ideology, which is clearly what happened with Mass Effect Androgyna. Bigotware hired SJWs on purpose, changed stuff to be more SJWish, etc, etc.

        Here’s another example. When SNK died and Korean company Eolith/Playmore bought them out, KOF went to shit. They thought the characters sounded cooler all yelling and screaming like angry lunatics, and spent assloads of time buffing and over-animating Kim Kaphwan.

        Another example: Silent Hill Collection. The people responsible for that decided they could do a better job and changed a ton of shit because they felt like it.

        Bottomline is, nobody wants to see some asshole changing shit to suit their personal opinion/ideology that almost nobody else likes or cares about. Similarly, changing parts of a game because of political affiliation or something… I’m sure most people would prefer it left alone, and the devs focusing on more important shit.

        • Greg

          Was there any actual proof about the whole “ugly women because feminism” thing?

    • Smug

      TRUTH IS RACIST
      NATURE IS RACIST

      BAN TRUTH AND NATURE NOW!!!!§§§§

    • durka durka

      JohnTron is iranian.

  • Greg

    I like how white nationalism is just “a different view” and no one here is man enough to call it by its name.

    • Mr.Towel

      White nationalism? Fucking where?

      • Disqusted

        “White nationalism” is everywhere, if you want it to be. The news told me so! The news is never, never wrong!

        See? KKK. Nazi. KKK. Nazi. You can do it too!

      • Greg

        High fives Steve King, argues for a white majority and likens anything less to the Tibetan genocide, pretends discrimination is just a Big Lie by the democucks unless Samantha Bee makes a white people joke then it totally a thing and is terrible. Be white and proud you guys, Jontron is.

        • Michael P

          Jontron is Iranian dummy, learn to read.

          • Disqusted

            Reading is for white nationalists, you racist nazi bigot KKK cisgender some shit I don’t know cuz I don’t want to remember their bullshit terms that make no sense!

          • Greg

            I don’t think you got the last part, it was sarcasm.

          • Mr.Towel

            That was very poor attempt at sarcasm since no one here is an actual white supremacist, you are the one who believe we are.

          • Greg

            I don’t believe any of your are, I believe your actively defending someone who comes dangerously close to being one which is hilarious given he himself would probably be detained at an airport if he wasn’t so pale.

          • Mr.Towel

            Dangerously close? What the hell does that mean?

            It’s not like he’s inches away from evolving into Hitler. His position seems pretty clear to me and that is not even close to white supremacy.

          • Disqusted

            I would laugh so hard if Jon Tron suddenly literally evolved into Hitler, like a Pokemon.

          • Smug

            >not wanting to get you, your family, friends and country fucked by invaders is “white supremacy”
            wew

          • Greg

            When you quantifying immigrants as invaders is a core pillar of white supremacy. Your literally proving my point.

          • Smug

            Not wanting your country to be (even more) a multicultural hellhole isnt “white supremacy” or whatever liberal bullshit you’re spouting on. It’s called sanity.

            Again, jontron was pretty spot on about white nations being unable to defend their culture due of the backwards and selfdestructive liberal mentality

          • Greg

            The prospect of a taco truck on the corner of every block is truly a horrifying one.

          • Smug

            You also mean the risks of being stabbed, having your throat slashed, being ganged by a pack of subhuman savages, etc. Not to mention we have very limited legal means of self-defense in my country (gun control, melee weapons being illegal to carry around and to use even for self-defense, etc). Authorities are also the targets of numerous guerilla attacks here

            Neither big cities and small villages in France are safe anymore. We’re already in a prelude of a civil war here and things are going to get very ugly in a few years.

          • Mike Campbell

            Yeah because white people are sooo perfect and can do no wrong, no wonder you got banned from niche gamer

          • Smug

            >not wanting to get you, your family, friends and country fucked by invaders is “white supremacy”

            when will we call “black supremacy” or “asian supremacy” then?

          • Disqusted

            See, it’s hard to tell if anybody’s being sarcastic nowadays, because the world has gone batshit insane.

          • Greg

            I should have added a smiley face.

          • Disqusted

            Probably. Anyway, we’re all kinda wasting our time on this shit, so I’m going to go get something else done instead.

        • Disqusted

          That was honestly difficult to read. I can’t tell if you’re actually a proud white nationalist yourself and just trying to be sarcastic.

        • Mr.Towel

          Argues for white majority? Where? How? When? Give me more context than “he said something resembling that” because I’m pretty sure he didn’t actually high five Steve King for real. It seems to me you’re reading his statements without any nuance.

          And how all this possible points are fucking white nationalism? Do you know what actual white nationalism is all about?

          • Greg

            Do you honestly want me to quote the debate verbatim? And yes, I’m being figurative about the high fiving.

          • Mr.Towel

            Well, that’s the standard for a decent discussion.

          • Greg

            So your telling me you have no knowledge or previous context for the reasons behind this decision.

          • Mr.Towel

            I do. I want to see what quotations YOU define as “arguing for white majority” and the like.

          • Greg

            http://archive.fo/OV2WZ

            These were some choice ones before his hugbox removed them.

          • Mr.Towel

            So? Which one do you believe is the “white supremacy/majority” thing?

    • Disqusted

      I like how everything is magically “white nationalism” now, and the guy who brings it up believes being “man enough” is somehow relevant and not sexist.

      It’s particularly funny because Jon Tron isn’t white. I’m not white. A bunch of people here probably aren’t white. I bet some people who comment here aren’t men, either. Or don’t identify as.

      But that doesn’t matter because it doesn’t fit your narrative, troll.

      Edit: I take back calling you a troll.

      • Greg

        I know, I don’t understand how a guy who probably wouldn’t be let in the country if it was run under his ideology espouses it. I honestly wonder if he would have gotten these crazy ideas if his first name was a foreign sounding as his last.

        • Disqusted

          I dunno about that, sounds like it’s pretty easy to get in. I hear they keep letting in people who are openly announcing terrorist attacks and bloody murder. Then they actually do it, and it’s still okay.

          It’s not even just the U.S. that’s doing that.

    • Michael P

      Dude people will be white nationalists/racists all they like, censoring the vocalization of the view point won’t change that reality. You’re one step away from thought policing.

      Notice you lot only have a problem with white nationalism too, Jewish nationalism, black/brown supremacy etc “Totes cool!”

      And no I’m not Aryan either, so save the “you’re racist” bullshit.

      • Disqusted

        He knows he is creating white nationalism by cornering and bullying only whites. That’s how racism begets racism. Then they can play the victim after, for more pity cash.

        • Michael P

          Yup which is why identity politics can fuck right off, all it does is divide and breed more hate.

          • Disqusted

            I miss when people used to care about the individual as a person, not as a skin color or genitals.

          • fnd

            Disagree, Tower of Babel have already been tried multiple times, with multiple failures. You eiter stick with your own, or other groups will rob you.

          • Michael P

            Well you’re entitled to that opinion fnd, mostly because historically, you’re correct. That said, that’s not my personal experience which is why my thinking is different.

            I’ve called more nationalities “friend” than I can count on my fingers and toes. The different groups didn’t always see eye to eye but generally we all got along. I’ve also had more beef with my own skin pigment than the others too.

            I would think you’ve been around me long enough to know I have no qualms sending the problem children back to whatever shithole’s they came from but I’m still not willing to throw them all under the bus.

            PS: Missed ya, you crazy bastard ; )

      • Greg

        I don’t see how an organization distancing itself from a person with…polarizing beliefs that may not align with its corporate image or consumer base is somehow out of an Orwellian police state, it’s a basic business practice but pretending otherwise is not surprising. You’re right, people are free to be racists till the cows come home and all the doors that close to them as well. Didn’t see a reason to denounce black/brown/blue supremacy when discussing someone who made no mention of it. Nice try with your bullshit though.

        • Michael P

          lol I can almost guarantee you’ve never denounced the other forms of racism, you identity politic types are too afraid of being called racist to be consistent.

          Back peddle the fuck outta here you dishonest clown.

        • Mr.Towel

          Actually, the most polite thing companies do in cases like these is just washing their hands. They just say “the opinion of our employee doesn’t represent the opinion of our company” and that’s the end of that.

          But today, if position of said employee doesn’t lean enough to the left, they feel the need to virtue signal.

        • Disqusted

          Because organizations don’t distance themselves from people who are much worse on other things. If they were consistent, I doubt anyone would care as much.

          And we’re all generally tired of the whole distancing bullshit, and making gaming more and more political. People should just make/play games and stop changing stuff because someone got offended. There will always be someone who gets offended, regardless.

          It’s never-ending. We’re already at a point where people (like myself) and even Japanese companies don’t want to make, localize or play games anymore, because of all the politics and political correctness. There’s no way that’s good for the hobby, industry or community.

          • Greg

            It sounds like your the one who’s offended, to be honest.

          • EroBotan

            how about replying with a real argument, greg?

          • Greg

            What possible argument is there to make against something as silly as “developers should do what ever they want as long as they cater to my tastes alone”?

          • EroBotan

            you’re describing yourself lol

          • Greg

            And totally not the guy who says games are too political for his tastes, you got me good.

          • EroBotan

            says the one who complaint about white nationalism and support censorfreak dev for banning people

          • Greg

            But when /r Jontron did it that was freedom in action?

          • EroBotan

            here is the difference, you’re censorfreak

      • durka durka

        lol

        Erdogan

        “Turkey is not just Turkey, all the lands Turks live are Turkey and we refuse to accept that our country extends only to borders that were created less than 100 years ago, have more children especially in Europe so we can take over”

        Public: “well he is a muslim he doesnt know any better thats his culture dont question him, let him call us europeans fascists and nazis”

        Random Greek right winger protesting at the illegal invasion of muslims illegal immigrants : “Our great ancestors wouldnt want us to abandon our western democratic values and give this land to this illegal immigrants who are note even from syria”

        public:

        MOTHERFUCKER DID YOU JUST CALL THEM ILLEGAL? NO ONE IS ILLEGAL THEY ARE REFUGES YOU FUCKING RACIST FASCIST AND YOU ARE NOT DESCENDANT OF THE ANCIENT GREEKS, YOU ARE ALBANIAN, TURK, SLAV, WHATEVER, ANYTHING BUT GREEK, WE THE PROGRESSIVE COMMUNIST LEFT WILL PROTEST AGAINST YOUR RACIST AND FASCIST BELIEFS

        True story.

    • durka durka

      He is Iranian.

      • Greg

        I know, that’s the weird part. He wouldn’t even be let into the country following his own ideology.

        • durka durka

          Maybe because this is not his ideology and you dont know what you talking about?

  • Greg

    Someone facing consequences for their actions? How terrible.

    • Disqusted

      Yeah! Doesn’t matter what actions. Everyone deserves to face consequences, no matter what! Consequences for everybody! Yay!

      • Consequences for everyone except SJWs of course. Because they’re always 100% correct despite lying, fabricating and ignoring facts, reason and logic!

        • Disqusted

          I think a lot of people will hear “Jon Tron said this!” out of context, don’t care to read up about anything or know the details, and will judge him based on that, “he deserved it, he’s a racist”.

          Lies/half-truths are quick and easy, and obscure reality. Facts and truth always takes time to research and learn. It’s really sad and depressing.

          Keep people busy, and it’s easy to perpetuate lies.

        • Greg

          Alison Rapp.

  • Champion Sun JOYCON

    I was thinking about buying this but now that they are being assholes and SJWs about people with different views as well as the fact that JonTron wasn’t meaning to be racist ended it for me

  • Keystone

    Ah yes, give in to people who don’t buy your product while pissing off those who do.

    The next step to this sad dance is blaming those [insert buzzword/insult] gamers who didn’t buy your game and caused you to take a huge hit to profits.

    • Bitterbear

      Welcome to (bad) business practices. Shitting on fans is okay because you already have their money and they’re nothing but dead weight for the company. What they are looking for is to expand their audience, that’s why the gamble on virtue-signaling and Hostile Brand Strategy advertising.

      • Phasmatis75

        Except gaming despite being a major industry that rakes in more than movies is more a huge collection of various niche industries. The problem a lot of companies have had in the last decade is their assumption that video games worked the same as movies in that the more people you appeal to the more people that will be wiling to watch them.

        As a result of this misunderstanding companies have been bleeding money for the better part of a decade in a very slow industry crash that is merely awaiting investor flight to kick off at full speed.

        How this relates to HBS is that alienating your original audience will never equate to more audience in gaming. If you are lucky you’ll achieve a Bioshock Infinite where the original audience will purchase the game before realizing it’s not what was sold to them and your brand crashes but you recoop costs and turn a profit.

        In this case they’re going to fail outright. Worse if a class action lawsuit kicks off they’ll not only lose out on sales but end up having to refund millions they don’t have. Already charge backs are in progress, so the company has financially screwed themselves, and are hoping that their strategy pans out.

        When it does not, they’ll either A) Triple Down, B) blame the publisher, part ways with them, implement the content back into the game and hope to break even, or C) apologize, undo their mistake, and hope to break even.

        Long story short they won’t be in the industry and the publisher will go out of business because short sighted profit seeking is a death wish when you don’t have huge reserves from years of success.

  • RichardGristle

    This game was on my Steam wishlist.

    Was.

  • John27
    • Disqusted

      Well, Mike Campbell now thinks you are an ignorant racist asshole.

      Personally, I think statistics are just statistics. It doesn’t mean that you or me or Mike, as an individual, has to follow the stats and commit crimes or have lower IQ. Anyone who assumes that is the real racist. I think intelligent people should be able to have a reasonable conversation with each other without assuming the other person is being racist.

      Bringing up stats has a lot to do with context and proving a point at hand. I don’t know how Jon Tron used it. But the mere act of bringing up *factual* statistics (ie. not bullshit SJW stats made up by SJWs and cited by SJWs) should not be considered “racist”.

      I’m sure the Swedish government would tell you otherwise, though.

      • Disqusted

        By the way, everyone knows Asians are “smarter”, and as an Asian myself, that’s actually kinda annoying because it means people will be less appreciative of my abilities as an individual.

        Sorta like how people often don’t care what a male might accomplish, because it’s expected of them. But a female doing the same thing is often “OMG AMAZING”.

        Also, I don’t think Asians are smarter because of their genes, so much as it’s because Asian culture tends to be extremely competitive, with a harsh drive towards excellence and improving.

        You know what Asian parents are like.. “A++ NOT GOOD ENOUGH!! DO BETTER!!” *swings leather belt*

        Point being… if statistics show a group isn’t as “smart”, chances are it’s because their social/cultural environment never required them to be. Not because their race/gender makes them stupid. Anyone with a brain should know that.

        There will still be geniuses and talented prodigies, regardless of race/gender. It’s a shame that modern society often actively suppresses geniuses and talent. It’s something that needs to be identified at a young age and nurtured. Really makes me sad how much talent goes to waste, because all the higher-ups want are mindless worker ants that match diversity requirements.

        • Also, I don’t think Asians are smarter because of their genes, so much as it’s because Asian culture tends to be extremely competitive, with a harsh drive towards excellence and improving.

          Yep, they also have high suicide rates in South Korea, China and Japan because of this.

          Oftentimes when certain people try to use the I.Q., barometer in an argument about race they tend to ignore stuff like that.

          But as you mentioned, stats need context.

          I see a lot of people misusing data or misrepresenting what the data means in order to push their own ideology. But I guess that’s just humans being tribal.

          • Disqusted

            Yeah, I was also thinking about the suicide rates. Sad world.

            Stats are just stats. They’re only ever a small representation of the big picture. Reality isn’t that simple.

            I mean, you can’t even easily tell if the people who use stats, or who react to people using stats, understand that. That’s why context is so important.

          • fnd

            Some people are IQ fetishist, but they are stupid. Empathy, group cohesion and other factors should be in play. Diversity is as bad as the Babel Tower.

          • Some people are IQ fetishist, but they are stupid.

            Precisely. There are some brilliant minds out there who can crunch numbers or solve logic puzzles but are socially inept, or have trouble adjusting to standard living conditions. There are a lot of variables that go into a lot of statistics and it’s hard to just pinpoint a single factor as the outlier for causation.

          • fnd

            But here comes the bad news: Blacks are lacking in empathy, asians and jews are of same iq or higher than whites but that doesn’t mean those races living togheter is of benefit to all races involved.

      • Phasmatis75

        I’ve said this, if you need everyone to be exactly the same as you for you to accept or treat them decently then that speaks more for your lack of character than anything else. People are different, accept it instead of trying to erase their differences.

    • Dude, come on. Misrepresenting data by throwing up a figure like that is partly why JonTron caught heat. If you’re going to use figures/stats/etc., at least put it in context so you don’t get called out on it.

      For instance, I could go on over to a .gov website a pull up a stat that shows blacks are arrested four times more than whites and hispanics in Oregon:
      https://www.cga.ct.gov/2008/rpt/2008-R-0008.htm

      Great. Now alone, we could say “Blacks are more violent than whites and hispanics!”

      However, that’s some contextless bullcrap right there, and I see stuff like that all the time on /pol/ by a lot of insecure 17 – 19 year-olds. It’s the equivalent of BLM using police brutality reports to try to paint all white cops as racist extremists.

      As others have said, extremism on other side makes both sides look like fools.

      But let’s go back to that Oregon stat for a second… that was leading up toward the recession in ’08. And unlike other states, Oregon didn’t recover but actually recessed further.

      In 2011 poverty levels hit 17% in Oregon. And who was hit the hardest? African-Americans by 38.3%… according to the Oregon Center of Public Policy.
      http://www.ocpp.org/2015/10/22/fs20151022-poverty-oregon-charts/

      So what does this have to do with anything? Well, poverty levels skyrocketed in Oregon because the jobs market never rebounded. According to the Economic Policy Institute…

      “For young high school graduates, the unemployment rate was 32.7 percent in 2010 and 31.1 percent over the last year (April 2011–March 2012), while the underemployment rate was 55.9 percent in 2010 and 54.0 percent over the last year.”

      http://www.epi.org/publication/bp340-labor-market-young-graduates/

      Essentially, people who did graduate in low-income areas didn’t have jobs. So basically, even if you did graduate, you were screwed.

      What did that mean? Well, if you check out the stats over on Governing.com you’ll see that Oregon has one of the lowest graduation rates for any race in the country:
      http://www.governing.com/gov-data/education-data/state-high-school-graduation-rates-by-race-ethnicity.html

      But more importantly — and this ties into that chart you posted without any context or info to explain what I presume you were trying to get across — blacks have the lowest average graduation rate in Oregon, settling at only 53%.

      So you have a race who has the highest arrest rates in the state, living in the most impoverished areas, very few jobs to get (in a very competitive market) and not graduating.

      So what do they do? Well… according to the FBI statistics it looks like a lot of these blacks are resorting to petty crimes, such as burglary and theft:
      https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/portland/press-releases/2013/fbi-releases-crime-statistics-for-oregon-and-washington

      Do you know why a lot of people usually resort to burglary and theft?

      According to a study on neurophysiological tendencies, some of the most important factors gleaned from studying habits from incarcerated burglars included financial problems and…. poverty.

      http://avicennajnpp.com/24260.fulltext

      So maybe… just maybe… there’s a correlation between poor living conditions, lack of jobs, poor education and crime rates. Quite naturally some people might say “Well why don’t they do better in school?” And that’s a good question, but it’s an uphill struggle when the public schools are poorly funded.

      Partly as a result of low taxes for education, Oregon had very few students attending schools that were funded at or above the national per-pupil average. Just 13 percent of Oregon students enjoyed that level of funding, versus 42 percent of students nationally.

      http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2016/01/oregon_ranks_low_in_education.html

      Of course… we can’t have this discussion because it means actually breaking down and contextualing numbers and statistics. And in our current climate, everyone would rather point fingers, whether it be SJWs or otherwise.

      I think JonTron would have benefited from being in a discussion where they actually discussed the reasons behind the numbers, instead of just flatly throwing out a figure to fit the argument.

      • fnd

        There are some alt-right memes about the poorest white town having less crime than the richest black suburb. Explain THIS!! Blaming all crimes on poverty is left wing bullshit.

        • There are some alt-right memes about the poorest white town having less crime than the richest black suburb. Explain THIS!! Blaming all crimes on poverty is left wing bullshit.

          Sure, provide the stat and citation so I can took a more thorough look. I see a lot of alt-right memes that are basically just pushing a lot of misrepresented or cherrypicked stats to suit the agenda of racial superiority. It’s identical to the SJWs cherrypicking stats and misrepresenting the data to push for their own BS version of regressive progressivism.

          Both sides of the extreme are keen on misrepresenting the data to push their own views without contextualizing the numbers.

          • fnd

            Found the meme over a google search:
            https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cop22o7VUAAm5Kc.jpg

            Can’t say if it’s truth or not so i just leave this as food for tought.

          • Dude, come on? Are you serious?

            A quick Google search shows that Park-Windsor Hills resides right next to middle/lower class district called Hyde Park.

            Here is the profile for Hyde Park:
            http://maps.latimes.com/neighborhoods/neighborhood/hyde-park/

            Predominantly black. Average median income: $39,000.

            So you’ve got a rich black neighborhood right next to a lower class black neighborhood. Hmm, I wonder if that has any bearings at all on the potential crime?

            Oh, would you look at that: Park-Windsor Hills has an exorbitantly high theft and burglar rate:
            http://maps.latimes.com/neighborhoods/neighborhood/view-park-windsor-hills/crime/

            30% theft and 35% burglaries. So a lot of people are breaking into these rich black homes.

            Follow the timeline of the crimes on the page I linked. An aggravated assault happened… where? Right at the border of Hyde Park.

            Dude, seriously? This is exactly what I’m talking about people misusing stats to push an agenda. A bunch of rich black people get robbed from poor black people and it’s used as a metric to say a poor white town has less crime than a rich black district? Well of course!

            According to FactFinder, more than half of the residents of Beattyville are in poverty.
            https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/nav/jsf/pages/community_facts.xhtml?src=bkmk

            They have a small population, so it would be pretty silly for anyone to rob from them. There’s NOTHING TO ROB!

            But if you look over to Louisville, a neighboring town to Beattyville, it’s the same story as any other large city; even though Louisville is predominantly white, they suffer from high burglary and theft, just like Park-Windsor Hills. It’s the same story for a different race.

            http://www.areavibes.com/louisville-ky/crime/

            https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045216/2148006

            Could it be that maybe… just maybe that it’s not always a race thing and that the people in the poor parts of surrounding towns are possibly robbing and thieving from the rich people in more affluent areas because they have more to take?

            But no, let’s not look for reasoning and causation behind stats… it’s so much easier to throw out numbers without context and point fingers.

          • fnd

            I guess rich blacks surely don’t want to live next to poor blacks and i don’t blame them.

            “But if you look over to Louisville, a neighboring town to Beattyville, it’s the same story as any other large city; even though Louisville is predominantly white, they suffer from high burglary and theft”

            Louisville have 22% black population and the other stat above don’t break away crime by race.

          • Louisville have 22% black population and the other stat above don’t break away crime by race.

            I’m sure there’s crossover, but we don’t have those stats. Basically the point was to say that the poor will always steal from the rich, no matter the race. The other meme was attempting to make it as if the rich black people were committing crimes amongst themselves, when the data appeared to show it was coming from a neighboring, poorer neighborhood of blacks trying to get rich by stealing from other blacks.

        • Phasmatis75

          Also not substantiated by science or reality.

      • Phasmatis75

        Yeah and pol backs up their claims with statistics from the government and historic examples. Wouldn’t be trashing their arguments with Obama era statistics which are mired in controversy.

  • John27

    How exactly does the videogame playing audience break down politically? Is it more SJW or more /pol/?

    • That’s a darn good question.

      I think it’s everybody across every spectrum. Different people like different forms of entertainment, so when something appeals to people casually, there’s a lot of crossover.

      But I think it’s more like: what do different political sects like in gaming? Rather than: what different political sects do gamers belong to?

    • LurkerJK

      I can’t say about the majority, but i have seen a lot of gamers go from “dont give a fuck about politics” to “fuck sjws”, everyone eventually has a favorite franchise affected by socjus

      • Mr.Towel

        I can confirm that. Years ago if you told gamers about the MSM leftism control and the like, their reaction would be like “Pfff. So what?! They’re not going to take your games from you, you crazy nut”

        And then there came Anitta…

        • Disqusted

          Can’t say I care for those kinds of people. They just strike me as selfish and terribly lacking in foresight.

          Although, to be fair, they probably don’t have the time or energy for it. Not like we can do much, anyway.

          • LurkerJK

            selfish and terribly lacking in foresight

            You realize that you are describing millennials right ?

          • Disqusted

            I feel like that described most of the people I’ve met in my life, not just millennials. Probably depends on where you live, though.

          • LurkerJK

            i can confirm that a significant part of my highschool and college colleagues fit that description

            There is nothing more sad than watching wanna be engineers in the last year doing everything they can to avoid doing something themselves and learning in the name of saving a minute, they just want the paper but it might as well be toiler paper for all its worth

          • Disqusted

            Yeah. I hate the education system. A Japanese friend recently told me the education system is based on the military system in how they train recruits, or something like that. Haven’t looked it up myself yet, but not surprising, if true.

        • I imagine most of these “just ignore them” gamers are choking down their SJW-feminist shit sandwiches now. Hah.

      • Disqusted

        Yeah, because SJWs are trying to force people to care about shit that they don’t. Many simply don’t have time or energy for it.

        SJWs usually tend to have a lot of spare time on their hands to kick up a fuss about shit.

    • Keystone

      It’s like /pol/ in that everyone thinks gamers are firmly on one side of the spectrum, but in reality are all over it (and not *just* the autism spectrum).

      Just like how the /pol/acks who showed up at Shia’s HWNDU project were more racially diverse than the white upper class SJWs there unironically, gamers are left, right and center in the political scene. Generally they value personal freedom as long as it doesn’t overly encroach on or harm another person.

      But everyone, regardless of creed, seems to agree that people who try to impose their will and ideology on the entire hobby are authoritarian assholes who need to permanently fuck off.

      • LurkerJK

        Hating narcissists trying to tell you what to think is pretty much an universal thing, no political orientation required

        • Disqusted

          People who are proud of political orientation are probably somewhat narcissistic. You know, those people who are always like, “I’m left!”, “I’m right!”, and all that crap.

  • DizzyGear

    Well NeoGAF is throwing a celebration in any case. This comment from their thread with their mod calling their echo chamber an Oasis was just gold though.

    http://i.imgur.com/ebW6Tqt.jpg

    • I just threw up a little in my mouth.

    • LurkerJK

      Someone has been ignoring studies about generation Z

    • static5225

      Seriously fuck him and GAF. I’m a millennial and it’s because of people like him, GAF, SJWs, and MSM that I went from left to center.

    • durka durka

      Did he just say thats how gamers are but they are not like that? Wtf is neogaf? Are they not gamers?

    • Fear Me I Am Free

      Gaf is fucking cancer.

    • EroBotan

      recent news says it’s neogaf who contacted yokalee dev and demand jontron to get removed

  • Disqusted

    At this point, I don’t really care what Jon Tron said. Whatever he said can’t be worse than the shit I’ve seen Manveer saying.

    I feel like, why should the devs give a shit if Jon Tron said whatever? Everyone believes SOMETHING that someone else will find offensive or wrong. Leave it up to the consumer/customer to decide.

    Fact is, most people will still buy a game if they want to play it, regardless of whether some of the staff are assholes, like Bigotware. Besides, how do people know there aren’t more assholes on staff? On the other hand, I think more people will not buy a game if the devs decide to openly censor and cater to SJWs and whiners looking for something to get upset by.

    They should probably have just said something like this:
    “In light of what Jon Tron said or believes, it has nothing to do with us, we’re just making our game. If you think it makes our game unenjoyable, that’s your call. We hope you won’t dismiss our entire game just because you disagreed with one single person who contributed. We can guarantee that every single person on our staff disagrees with someone out there on something.

    We don’t want our game to be judged based on each individual staff member’s personal opinions and beliefs. We’re more concerned about our game being enjoyable as a game, and want that to speak for itself. We hope that you will continue your support and enjoy the end product of our hard labor.”

    Something like that. I’m not a PR person, so maybe that wouldn’t work. I don’t know. But if it was me, I would write that. If my game failed to sell, then obviously the game industry is oversaturated with politics.

    And that’s a problem.

    • Bitterbear

      Something that Warner Bros did to shut up the SJWs who wanted to get the old Tom and Jerry cartoons erased from history:

      https://i.imgur.com/U8UZyVI.jpg

    • Fear Me I Am Free

      That’s the thing. Jon wasn’t intentionally trying to be racist. Manveer was.

  • AlecJ

    Put me on the list of people who were going to buy this but now…..

    NOPE.

    Enjoy the big pile of nothing im giving you Playtonic—
    In fact….here you go….have some more nothing.

    You want more?

    Here– more nothing. Just say the word. Blam– even more nothing.

    I got plenty.

    As of now, im saving a whole lot of it for you Playtonic.

    • I’m going to try using “Have some more nothing!” in the future. Thank you for this.

      • AlecJ

        Ha- right on!

    • Lukas

      Ill buy 2 copies to make up for it then 🙂

  • AR7777

    It’s normal for a company not wanting to be associated to a guy who rants about the purity of the gene pool and shit like.
    He’s entitled to his opinion of course but being removed from the game is not a surprise.

    It’s funny he considers himself racially pure though, I mean look at that guy, he couldn’t be more semitic looking, not hating or anything just think it’s funny.

    • Mr.Towel

      I think people are more mad about the double standards of all this political bullshit.

      • Disqusted

        This. People either have a moral standard that applies to everything, or they don’t.

        • Mr.Towel

          Indeed. It’s called having a sense of Honor, having a common ethical judgement that is applies to all, regardless of your feelings.

          But everyone seems to operate on feelings these days. There are things they FEEL it’s ok to say, there are things they FEEL it’s not ok to say, and that is enough ground for burning witches. They give a big middle finger to the scientific method and the validity of all hypothesis until proven wrong. They already decided it’s wrong, now they just cherry pick facts to corroborate theirs chosen conclusion, rather than use facts to get to a conclusion that might make them FEEL uncomfortable.

          • Disqusted

            I don’t think it’s even just about the feels. They say they get upset about “racism” or “sexism”, or “inequality”, but it only ever applies to one side.

            Someone who really does get upset about racism, sexism or inequality, does not take sides; all racism, sexism and inequality is wrong. Not just when it applies to blacks, or hispanics, or females, or whatever.

          • Mr.Towel

            Well, I would say that still feelings. They’re just lying about where their feeling are coming from. They do not come from having a strong moral standpoint on racism.

            I would say that their feelings come from the notion that the white man is evil, capitalism is evil, burgeons are evil, rich people are evil, men are evil. They see black people in poor living conditions and in the back of their minds things like “that’s not fair, white man abused them for so much time, they need compensation, they need reparation” immediately start appearing. That’s why they say you can’t be racist against white people, because in their minds all white people are just historical bullies so they deserve whatever comes to them. To see white man/rich man/men getting screwed is comeuppance, it’s vindication, “feels good”. It’s a pretty emotional and simple minded way of looking at justice, society and economics.

            That said, it’s pretty funny to see their minds blown when the oppressed classes they profess to protect all start attacking each other. The cognitive dissonance hits hard and the only thing they can say is “let’s all just calm down and hate white people”.

            Case in point: Immigrant Asian woman complains about Blacks, everyone feels awkward because they can’t call her racist because as an asian she’s an oppressed minority herself (though sometimes, east asian people are too white, too rich and too achieving for their taste and gets lumped as evil white oppressors either way)

          • Disqusted

            People are such a pain up the ass 🙁

    • durka durka

      he still has more subs than this game will ever get sales.

      • AR7777

        The people at yooka laylee worked on stuff like the snes donkey kong country series and banjo kazooie, I’m sure they are envious of this hook nosed legend and his subs

  • “Playtonic is a studio that celebrates diversity in all forms”

    So diverse in all forms that they censor and ban anyone with differing viewpoints to them.

    So diverse indeed.

    • John

      I bet you think “white genocide” is real.

      • Smug

        >implying it’s not

        Asia for asians
        Africa for africans
        but somehow Europe for everyone ???

        not to mention the waves of mass immigration to outbreed the sovereign populace on (originally) white countries. Wanting to defend yourself against the invaders, and protect your (cultural & genetic) heritage, is somehow considered racist if you’re white.

        • Ebalosus

          >says all that while having an anime avatar

          Muh sides

          • Smug

            >saying this while having a pony avatar

            I can do this shit too

          • Keystone
          • durka durka

            What sides the japanesse are incredibly racist and dont want immigrants unless the love their culture and make alot of money, they have also banned islam, muslims cant prey unless they are alone in a room and you can count them in one hand in japan.

            But hey when they protect their culture its cool, when someone else does its bad.

            Retarded much?

            I dont think anyone says no to japanesse immigrants because they are civilized, hard working and keep a low profile. BUT GOTTA TAKE ALL THOSE SOMALIANS AND AFGHANIS AM I RIGHT?

        • But whites have already took over asia and Africa.

        • Asians and Africans are not races. Remember Russia and india are located in Asia. Plus africa has a lot of whites.

          • Kinseb

            Holy shit that’s a very good point ! Whites in Africa ? How did that happen already ?

            >waves of mass immigration to outbreed the sovereign populace

      • durka durka

        Well not now but in the next few decades, according to ressearch, population of africa will be higher than usa in the next 30 years, combine that with the fact Sultan Erdogan wants to turn turkey into a islamic state and he says “have more children especially in europe, in 50 years europe will be islamic” combine that with the civil urest, poverty and civil wars that will be caused in middle east with the increase of the population and you have a ton of people who want to migrate to europe. Europeans are not having children anymore, countries like germany italy and greece have mostly old population the vast majority of the population are old farts.

        So right now there might be a white genocide but in a few decades the asians (china is no longer using a one child per family rule) arabs and africans will see a huge increase in population and a huge decrease in europea, “minorities” will no longer be the minority and then these people that you told them that whities are responsible for all their fuckups, they will not take your side, they will turn against you and all whites.

  • Ghost

    Shame. I was really excited for this game, but this really sours it for me. Well, that’s money saved.

  • Mike Campbell

    Well, that’s a shame he brought it to himself for comments he made in that live stream debate

    • What exactly did he say?

      • Mike Campbell

        I don’t remember much but he said that rich black people commot more crimes than poor white people

        • Disqusted

          I read people talking about that. They said he was just quoting statistics. That’s “racism” now, apparently.

          • Mike Campbell

            Because that’s and ignorant the stupid thing to say and it made him look dumb

          • Disqusted

            Everyone says he sucks at debating. Still don’t think that’s grounds for the treatment he’s receiving. The impression I get is he does not have malicious intent. It’s totally different from assholes like Manveer.

          • I wonder if he would have received the same treatment had he said white people commit more crimes than black people?

          • Disqusted

            True. I think the whole “you’re not allowed to be negative about blacks” is the same as “you’re not allowed to be negative about females”. It’s because there were times in the past when blacks and females were treated like shit.

            We’re living in some weird age where everyone feels they must atone for past sins they had nothing to do with.

            At the same time, we’re surrounded by assholes who use past incidents as an excuse for terrible behavior, or to receive an infinite amount of free goodies.

            People aren’t making enough effort to differentiate between professional victims and real victims. The professional victims always seem to steal the spotlight and reap the gains.

          • The so-called oppressed have become the oppressors themselves.

            I mean, just look at what’s happening to Jordan Peterson.

            A bunch of cross-dressing faggots who cannot accept that people might not agree with their lifestyle so they want to punish and jail people for it.

            By all means be transgender and such, but don’t go punishing people with $250,000 fines and jailing them for criticising the practice.

          • Disqusted

            Yeah. I don’t like cross-dressing, but I wouldn’t jail anyone over it. You probably feel the same way.

            I still think this is all the result of people with nothing better to do. They’re looking for enemies to fight and beat in some way.

          • TylorW

            Really wish that people would let the sins of the fathers die with them rather than demanding that they be repaid with the blood of the sons. :/

          • Smug

            oy vey

        • Smug

          but black people commit way more crime than white people. That’s a fact.

          • No it’s not.

            https://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/

            More whites commit hate crimes than blacks and hispanics, according to the FBI:
            https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2015-hate-crime-statistics-released

            More whites commit more crimes against whites than blacks do against whites.

            More blacks commit more crimes against blacks than whites do against blacks.

            More hispanics commit more crimes against hispanics than whites do against hispanics.

            That kind of BS peddling is how people like JonTron ended up in the mess he did.

          • Smug

            Ive got my own sources too

            https://puu.sh/uWI5r/0c05fcf0be.png

          • Nice /pol/ infographic.

            100% of each of those figures can be delineated by poverty and lack of education. Cherrypicked stats ignoring things like just over two generations ago civil rights for minorities was enacted — meaning that beforehand rights and access to civil services, job opportunities and education were limited. None of that is contextualized in your infographic at all.

            Those stats definitely make edgy teens feel good about themselves, though; but like it was mentioned elsewhere in the thread, numbers without context are usually designed to push agendas for people who are insecure about delving deeper than their own ideologies.

          • Smug

            “Nice /pol/ infographic.”

            ignoring that it has several sources below, but I guess truth hurts liberal brainwashing no matter what
            it’s okay I also used to believe races were equal and all that shit when I was younger (it wasnt helped that public statistics related to race and religion were censored, and still are nowadays in my country, alongside with all the propaganda taught in media and school), until I got a taste of the reality in the recent years

            “100% of each of those figures can be delineated by poverty and lack of education.”

            yet somehow including blacks in our school system decrease the IQ value (and school results) of a country, making the top 5 countries only asian ones (since they’re more a homogeneous populace)

            poverty doesnt mean shit when white families with in poverty/low income manage better results than black families with way higher income http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html

            again it’s the assumption that races are equal (which is stupid because we can classify races in animal species because of their traits, but not humans somehow?). Guess we should ban nature because it’s racist

          • ignoring that it has several sources below, but I guess truth hurts liberal brainwashing no matter what

            Yes, it’s a /pol/ infographic with cherrypicked stats from legitimate sources. You’re already set in your ways, though, and ignored that part of my comment.

            I also used to believe races were equal and all that shit when I was younger

            You’re still young, ace.

            yet somehow including blacks in our school system decrease the IQ value (and school results) of a country, making the top 5 countries only asian ones (since they’re more a homogeneous populace)

            Yet again, you completely ignored my comment about the Civil Rights act. You do know that minorities (not just blacks) didn’t have full access to proper education in America just until 1964? As I mentioned, that’s about two generations ago — and you expect minorities to have equal I.Q., testing scores with their peers?

            Dude, you’re literally doing what SJWs do when they ignore reality and the context of numbers and arguments by cherrypicking and equivocating.

            the top 5 countries only asian ones (since they’re more a homogeneous populace)

            And did you know that a bunch of Asians living in poverty who don’t have access to proper education also fall below the standard median? But sure, let’s ignore that like you ignored all the other contextual elements behind the numbers in the infographic.

            poverty doesnt mean shit when white families with in poverty/low income manage better results than black families with way higher income http://www.jbhe.com/feature

            Did you even read what you posted?

            First of all: income =/= education.

            Second of all: While income can offer you better opportunities for education, it certainly doesn’t mean the person with a higher income is better educated. They even explain this in the article YOU linked, where they state…

            Public schools in many neighborhoods with large black populations are underfunded, inadequately staffed, and ill equipped to provide the same quality of secondary education that is offered in predominantly white suburban school districts.

            Dude, I literally just typed out pretty much exactly what they mentioned in the article you linked in a post down below (or above?) for the guy who posted the graph sheet showing black and white I.Q.

            I literally stated that it was a poverty + education issue, and you just verified that with the link you provided.

            again it’s the assumption that races are equal (which is stupid because we can classify races in animal species because of their traits, but not humans somehow?)

            This statement here betrays your age. Animals don’t have cognitive intelligence that can be shaped based on neurophysiological stimulation. It’s literally apples and oranges.

            Humans can be cultivated based on conditioning and environment; their intellectia can be altered based on information stimuli. Animals can be trained but not taught to exhibit intellectual growth like humans. Two vastly different comparisons, ace.

          • Smug

            “Yet again, you completely ignored my comment about the Civil Rights act. You do know that minorities (not just blacks) didn’t have full access to proper education in America just until 1964. As I mentioned, that’s about two generations ago and you expect minorities to have equal I.Q., testing scores with their peers?”

            >education is hereditary and change the genetic makeup
            hey man, if the terrors of slavery are still in their DNA then education must be too :^)

            “One: income =/= education.”

            I was actually pointing out the differences in intelligence, as income/poverty is not a decisive factor. You’re talking to a race who cant figure out how to farm in Africa, despite having the means and being given the tools to do that. Or even maintain a proper civilization to the point Marvel needs to create a fictional one.

            And the few blacks who actually display signs of intelligence and decency are shunned (and eventually killed) by their own community since they’re considered as “cheaters” or Uncle Sams. Medias barely report on this because that doesnt make sensational news unlike the french hoax about the guy being anally raped by a police baton during a resistance of a police checkup for instance.

            “This statement here betrays your age. Animals don’t have cognitive intelligence that can be shaped based on neurophysiological stimulation. It’s literally apples and oranges. Humans can be cultivated based on conditioning and environment; their intellectia can be altered based on information stimuli. Animals can be trained but not taught to exhibit intellectual growth like humans. Two vastly different comparisons, ace.”

            >what are pavlov’s dogs

            “Dude, you’re literally doing what SJWs do when they ignore reality and the context of numbers and arguments by cherrypicking and equivocating.”
            >pointing out reality is somehow SJW-like’s behavior according to you
            If your experience with blacks is just that one black kid at school and/or the rare black(s) in town, then yeah, I can see why you defend them. Which is the reason why I also used to believe the things you currently do.

            This is the similar about being told and believing that islam is religion of peace despite plenty evidences of the contrary.

          • >education is hereditary and change the genetic makeup
            hey man, if the terrors of slavery are still in their DNA then education must be too :^)

            Dude, seriously? You’re going to say that poor education facilities and a lack of proper resources to educate a large portion of a race in poverty over the course of two generations isn’t going to have an affect on their I.Q., when compared to their peers? Dude, really?

            I was actually pointing out the differences in intelligence, as income/poverty is not a decisive factor.

            Of course income/poverty isn’t a decisive factor, and yet you tried to strawman that into a factor about intelligence. That literally makes no sense man. There are tons of Asians who are poor but super smart, and then there are people like Donald Trump who are super rich and not bright at all.

            Financial correlation =/= intelligence causation.

            Come on, bro. It’s like you’re just repeating /pol/ talking points without actually thinking about what you’re even typing.

            And the few blacks who actually display signs of intelligence and decency are shunned (and eventually killed) by their own community since they’re considered as “cheaters” or Uncle Sams. Medias barely report on this because that doesnt make sensational news

            What? Where does this come from? Source? Citation? Something?

            >what are pavlov’s dogs

            Dude, I literally said animals can be trained but not taught to exhibit intellectual growth like humans. Pavlov’s dogs were still trained based on response attachment to sensory stimuli. You just proved my point. Bro, seriously?

            If your experience with blacks is just that one black kid at school and/or the rare black(s) in town, then yeah, I can see why you defend them. Which is the reason why I also used to believe the things you currently do.

            It sounds like you had a bad experience and then fell in with the /pol/ crowd, got edgy and decided that the talking points they consistently reiterate sounded good enough for you. But you haven’t really put much thought into them or researched the stats you use to understand any of the history or context behind them.

            It’s literally equivalent to those feminists who drop that stupid stat about 1 in 5 women being raped, or “notallmen” and citing that men are natural rapists; but if you break the stats down or examine them beyond their propaganda talking points, you’ll realize the conversation is a lot more nuanced than gender/race/ethnic superiority.

          • Smug

            “You’re going to say that poor education facilities and a lack of proper resources to educate a large portion of a race in poverty over the course of two generations isn’t going to have an affect on their I.Q., when compared to their peers”

            >IQ is a social construct
            Must be hard to admit the average nig is just dumb

            “and then there are people like Donald Trump who are super rich and not bright at all.”

            hahahaha
            >i dont like trump so he must be stupid teehee

            “It sounds like you had a bad experience and then fell in with the /pol/ crowd, got edgy and decided that the talking points they consistently reiterate sounded good enough for you. But you haven’t really put much thought into them or researched the stats you use to understand any of the history or context behind them.”

            >he thinks hating blacks (or any foreign minority) is egdy
            I bet not fully embracing islam must be edgy to you too
            Guess wanting my country to stop being a multicultural hellhole must be edgy too

            literally “you’re racist (edgy) if your experience with them wasnt positive at all”
            you really are a liberal living in a bubble after all.
            again try to live among a bigger amount of black&kebab minorities/migrants and you’ll consider them soon enough like nothing more than animals that make your life hell

          • >IQ is a social construct Must be hard to admit the average nig is just dumb

            You’re going to have to elaborate here because it sounds like you’re dismissing facts in order to hold onto a personally distorted worldview.

            >he thinks hating blacks (or any foreign minority) is egdy I bet not fully embracing islam must be edgy to you too Guess wanting my country to stop being a multicultural hellhole must be edgy too

            See, not only are you now admitting you’re young but “hateful” too. I never said anything about “hating” anyone. Freudian slip there, ace.

            you really are a liberal living in a bubble after all.

            And this is different from SJWs calling anyone who doesn’t agree with them “alt-right Trump trolls” how?

            again try to live among a bigger amount of african&middle-east minorities/migrants and you’ll consider them soon enough like nothing more than animals

            Again, this is showing you’re conflating your personal experiences (which must have been unpleasant) with everyone else’s reality. I already live in an upscale suburb with majority whites mixed in with *gasp* Jews, Iranian and Iraqi migrants, Arabs and some blacks.

            Guess wanting my country to stop being a multicultural hellhole must be edgy too

            Absolutely. As I mentioned, you must be around 19 years-old because you’re regurgitating talking points I’ve seen verbatim from other kids your age. He either lost his girlfriend to another minority or didn’t make the football/basketball/wrestling team because some other minority took his spot. And his way of venting was to head to /pol/ or YouTube and compensate his insecurity by spouting racial superiority statistics.

          • Smug

            “because it sounds like you’re dismissing facts”
            Nice projection of yourself

            “See, not only are you now admitting you’re young but “hateful” too. I
            never said anything about “hating” anyone. Freudian slip there, ace.”
            You’re reaching new levels of stupid if you truly believe that not being a delusional liberal who preaches in “tolerance” and “diversity” (without the bullying and agenda-forcing of SJWs) because of the current obvious results, means that he’s just an “inexperienced youth”.

            Fucking take a look at northern France (Calais, Roubaix, Lille), Paris, Lyon, Marseilles, and anywhere else in France, as prime examples of how the little ideology, you’re following, worked. We’re on a prelude of an ethnic civil war, and things are going to get very ugly in a few years

            I wouldnt be surprised if you started to defend even those waves of immigrants leeching on/invading us.

            “Again, this is showing you’re conflating your personal experiences
            (which must have been unpleasant) with everyone else’s reality”

            More like you keep having your head in the sand since you cant accept reality (since reality will be too “/pol/-like” to you). Assuming you’re american, of course you have the means of self-defense, unlike us europeans, so your situation is less shitty
            Dont fucking dare to complain however when the minorities you love to defend so much will also make your life hell sooner or later.

          • You’re reaching new levels of stupid if you truly believe that not being a delusional liberal who preaches in “tolerance” and “diversity” (without the bullying and agenda-forcing of SJWs) because of the current obvious results, means that he’s just an “inexperienced youth”.

            Why do you and SJWs believe it has to be one or the other? It’s literally horseshoe in effect.

            Fucking take a look at northern France (Calais, Roubaix, Lille), Paris, Lyon, Marseilles, and anywhere else in France, as prime examples of how the little ideology, you’re following, worked. We’re on a prelude of an ethnic civil war, and things are going to get very ugly in a few years

            Now this is where you and I both agree.

            But how we got there wasn’t just because of multicultural mixing. That’s been going on for centuries around the world. We’re at the cusp of a race war because of the idiots in mainstream media convincing youths like you to hate anyone who isn’t you. That goes for EVERY race.

            We got black supremacist rising up because the media told them whitey took everything from them.

            We got Middle-Easterners rising up because the media tells them that any fair-skinned bloke is an “Infidel” who must be “cleansed” and “smitten” from the Earth.

            Do you really think you’re the only one who holds these views? It’s every race, and you’ve all been led around by the collar like Pavlov’s dog, answering the call of hate-bait with anguish, ready to pounce once the bell rings.

            You’re a puppet, ace. And the media is playing you by the strings like Yoyo Ma plays the cello.

            I wouldnt be surprised if you started to defend even those waves of immigrants leeching on/invading us.

            Now why the f**k would I do that?

            Dont fucking dare to complain however when the minorities you love to defend so much will also make your life hell sooner or later.

            So it’s all or nothing with you? Dude…

            The disinformation agents on /pol/ have you so messed up alongside the mainstream media that it’s no wonder that everybody is funked in the mind.

            If you’re old enough to vote, what you need to do is make sure you and your peers put someone in office who’s going to get serious about the borders, like what Britain did with Brexit.

            Now I’m not anti-immigration, but I am pro-security. I think what Trump did with putting a 90-day ban on immigration from Middle-East affected countries was smart. They need to figure out a secure way to help those affected by the atrocities while limiting extremists from getting into the country. Better vetting, tighter security, and more competent and pragmatic profiling is what’s needed.

          • Oi Smug, give me a top 10 games you need to play as a new PS Vita user, customized by you.

            You should have the better weeaboo tastes.

          • Smug

            Deception IV Nightmare Princess
            Taiko no Tatsujin (V version, Idolmaster Aoi/Akai)
            YS 8
            Digimon Cyber Sleuth
            Disgaea 3 & 4
            Utawararerumono
            Dungeon travelers 2
            Earth Defense Force 2 & 3 Portable
            Atelier Rorona/Totori Plus
            Shin Gundam Musou
            any Vanillaware game

            Metal Gear Solid Collection
            Soul Sacrifice Delta

            take note that I own them all in japanese cartridges (except MGS & EDF2)

            also dont buy the Eiyuu Denstetsu Evolution games, they’re crap

          • I’m not buying anything at all. :^)

            Well, unless I can’t avoid it. Thanks.

          • Smug

            My problem with piracy on Vita is mostly the sheer incompetence of the community. Those who “contributed” were more worried about being “credited for their work” than checking if the dumps actually worked. And there is no definitive fix to the save issue (that happens if you let the vita on sleep after a prolonged period of time). Thus your sole option is to legally buy if you prefer stability over the many issues that plague henkaku & the dumps.

            So unless you have a lot of spare money to spend, I definitively wont recommend a Vita (And I say this as a guy who own over a hundred cartridges). A PSP or DS (or a combo of both) is a much better choice.

          • I already had it before I asked you and don’t worry, I’ll work around it.
            Although, to be fair, I kind of bought it in an odd spot. The Vita is still getting some exclusives, but they’re only JP and they either never get released in the west or do get released and then after a while, get ported to PC.

          • fnd

            Why does crime in the richest nations in the world are blamed on lack of education or poverty. This kind of excuse could fly in third world countries tho.

          • Why does crime in the richest nations in the world are blamed on lack of education or poverty. This kind of excuse could fly in third world countries tho.

            It applies to both.

            There’s a disproportionate amount of people who are educated enough to become wealthy in the richest nations. A lot of people living in poverty just don’t have access to the same resources.

            Check the stats:
            http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

            If you can’t afford to be educated or the education they publicly provide don’t actually educate you to become a useful member in society, it’s no different than struggling to survive in a developing country when you have no adequate work or no proper education.

          • fnd

            There are a lot of educated thugs and white collar criminals. Education as a solution to violence is misleading. The word we are looking for is discipline.

          • There are a lot of educated thugs and white collar criminals. Education as a solution to violence is misleading.

            I’m assuming you have stats to back this up and this isn’t
            just another regurgitated /pol/ talking point?

            It reminds me of when feminist say “men are prone to rape, and have higher rape statistics than women, therefore all men are potential rapists.”

            I really don’t have to tell you how idiotic both viewpoints are when they’re misconstruing the data (or just making stuff up).

          • fnd

            “men are prone to rape, and have higher rape statistics than women, therefore all men are potential rapists.”
            Actually the sentence in the middle is true, the first and last are false. If you fear the consequences of crimes then you won’t commit crimes, countries who don’t have tough pennalties for crimes are more crime ridden, if you doubt me, feel free to research and come to your own conclusion.

          • If you fear the consequences of crimes then you won’t commit crimes, countries who don’t have tough pennalties for crimes are more crime ridden, if you doubt me, feel free to research and come to your own conclusion.

            I don’t know man. Have you seen Brazil’s crime rate? Brazil is one of the top 20 most violent countries when it comes to homicides and crime, and it’s not like they have lax laws.

            3 – 5 years for smuggling and up to 20 years for intentional murder. Very similar to the U.S.A.

            http://www.loc.gov/law/foreign-news/article/brazil-penal-code-amended/

            Punishment for robberies isn’t too far off from U.S., penal systems either.
            http://thebrazilbusiness.com/article/what-happens-if-you-rob-someone-in-brazil

            I think this still goes back to a proper education system. Simply increasing punishments for people who aren’t offered a better way of life or proper opportunities isn’t going to stop them from thieving or committing crimes, heck that was literally the plot of Les Miserables.

          • fnd

            Brazil does have lax, poorly enforced laws, a pro-criminal gubbermint and human rights activists as well as lack of a competent police most of the time. Also, minors can do all sorts of attrocities and the max punishment is 3 years (Brazilians can only be “properly” punished past the age of 18). And since we are talking about race, brazilians are a rather mongrelized population, some women can become quite beatiful when they get the right mixed genes but there is a lot of uglies that nobody notices, because they are ugly lol

          • And since we are talking about race, brazilians are a rather mongrelized population, some women can become quite beatiful when they get the right mixed genes

            Dude WTF is up with /pol/ and genes? You’ve been hanging out on Stormfront too long, bro. Some of their women are beautiful regardless of “mixed” genes.

            EDIT: Whoops, scratch that reference to Valeria. So it looks like Dani Sperle is native Brazilian without being mixed (as opposed to Valeria Valenssa, who has a white father), but Brazil itself is a mixing pot, so you get a wide variety of beautiful and ugly people of different shades.

            http://farm8.static.flickr.com/7470/15608501517_3d46e8077c.jpg

            https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/d0/04/66/d0046686e92551fcc93c9fbb440e477b.jpg

            lack of a competent police most of the time.

            They also have BOPE… which is like, militarized police to the extreme. It was a big controversy over that.

            You’re right that there’s a lot of corruption from top to bottom, a lot of fat cats leeching and oppressing the poor, and a lot of inconsistent enforcement of their laws. But your original statement was…

            countries who don’t have tough pennalties for crimes are more crime ridden,

            And my reply was that Brazil has tough penalties but they don’t enforce them. But the elected officials didn’t (and still don’t) have any intentions of doing right by the people.

          • fnd

            Whites are still the majority in EUA u know? Blacks and Muslims commit more crime considering they smaller numbers. Also, Hispanics are considered white in misguiding statistics.

          • I’d have to look over the stats more thoroughly. A lot of people misread the data or only take certain parts to use it for their own agenda, or misrepresent the data.

            There’s definitely more of a story to the numbers than just x race commits y amount of crimes disproportionately.

      • Ghost
        • Disqusted

          Hard to believe a summary when I’ve already seen people proven to intentionally misquote him, to make him seem like a huge asshole. Would prefer actual quotes. With context. Because that often gets left out, too.

        • AR7777

          I think that’s from a different thing that happened two months ago.

          This is the correct video if I’m not mistaken

          https://youtu.be/6RQA9GZprqM

      • Disqusted

        Nasty things. EVIL things. The whispers of the DEVIL. That which must not be spoken, for it cannot be UNspoken. So hath the fury of the masses implied. Consequences shall be wrought upon such heathenism. The sky shall split, and the earth rendered asunder.

    • Disqusted

      Regardless, I’m thinking it’s getting pretty ridiculous to cull people everytime they say something that someone disagreees with or finds offensive.

      I was just reading a story about a drunk guy who got jailed for mocking a football player’s heart failure. Drunk people tend to act uninhibited, ie. raw and honest. No doubt that guy would seem completely non-racist when not drunk as shit.

      There-in lies the problem:
      Throwing a fit any time someone says something, doesn’t actually do anything about racism. It just silences people, it doesn’t make them any less racist. In fact, it probably makes them more racist, if other races are getting special treatment and privileges over them.

      Can you imagine how many games have had POTENTIAL or CLOSET RACISTS contribute to them? Are we going to witch hunt and cull them all too? It just seems like a huge waste of time to me; an impossible task with likely adverse intended effects.

      • 1) See something that offends.

        2) Go onto social media, let like-minded people know about it so they can let others know and so forth.

        3) Form and gather a lynch mob.

        4) Bully, harass and torment offending material/person until material/person is banned/fired from his job and have his life ruined.

        Social Justice.

        • Mike Campbell

          Yeah fuck the consequences for things you say unless it’s against white people

          • Maybe one day your ilk will learn to tolerate and accept differing viewpoints instead of crying “muh racism” and “muh sexism”.

          • Mike Campbell

            So you accept racism and
            People being assholes as “different viewpoints”

          • No I don’t accept racism, but I advocate for free speech.

            Nice try on the character assassination attempt though, typical of Social Justice weasels like you.

            You spew some utter SJW/feminist garbage that I don’t agree with, BUT I’ll always defend your right to say it.

          • Mike Campbell

            Free speech has consequences you know and I’m not an sjw but I’m just not an asshole to people just because they want to be a good person and calling it “virtue signing”

          • Disqusted

            Where are these “free speech” consequences for the SJWs then?

            Look, if a guy states statistics pertaining to races, and if they are factual, then it’s not “racist”. It’s just fact.

            For example, the last time I checked, statistics seem to suggest that Asian men are the least attractive to non-Asian women. Is that racist against Asian men? It upsets me, and I hate it, but it’s still fact. I would never call anyone racist for pointing it out.

            I would, however, call them racist if they kept portraying Asian men as all having tiny penises and being effeminate and unmanly… which is what people do all the time, and aren’t called racist for it. See the ridiculous double standard?

            I’m so sick of people assuming everything is racist. I went through actual racism, people constantly treating me like shit just because of my race, and it f**ked me up. People nowadays have it good. The media tells them what they should believe is racist, and they comply.

            Anyway, I don’t know what else Jon Tron has said. I’ve only heard some of it. He strikes me as the kind of guy who, in a heated argument, buckles under pressure and makes himself sound like a fool. He’s probably been less than articulate and failed at making points.

            But I still don’t think he’s an evil racist like people seem to be desperately trying to portray him as. The fact that there are people misquoting him should prove that to some degree. They are out to demonize him, plain and simple. True evil racists don’t need to be fabricated.

          • EroBotan

            you said you’re not an SJW … but you talk like SJWs, has the same point of view as SJWs, censorfreak like SJWs … then you are an SJW

          • He is an SJW, I’ve seen him on other gaming sites and defends SJWs by deflecting attention away from them.

          • Mike Campbell

            Just because im not a asshole, think the gaming community can better or don’t think Anita sarkeesian is the spawn of Satan that makes me an sjw

          • EroBotan

            this tactic has become pretty common lately lol

          • Free speech has consequences

            Don’t worry, we got the impression that you’re not for free speech.

            I guess only SJWs like you are allowed this free speech without consequences right?

            I’m just not an asshole and sexist like you

            Says the asshole who is anti-free speech and makes gender an issue in everything.

          • Disqusted

            You know what? I don’t really see either of you guys as assholes or sexists. Would be nice if everyone thought the same way and stopped arguing about stupid shit.

          • Disqusted

            I’m pretty certain you can’t talk about anything political without someone accusing you of racism in some way.

            I thought your comments originally meant “he shouldn’t have talked about politics at all”, which has become increasingly difficult because of how politics in everything has been getting much louder and obnoxious.

            If SJWs didn’t keep ruining gaming as a platform, people like Jon Tron would probably have kept quiet and never said a potentially offensive word.

          • EroBotan

            dude, you have it backwards ^^; … the correct one is: SJWs call different viewpoints as “racism”

          • Disqusted

            The fact is there is no consistency. People wanna bully a single guy because he said something they personally consider “racist”, but they never care about the assholes doing much worse things.

            People with a real moral standard will apply it to everything, not selectively. Selectively is just bullying.