IMZY Censors Final Fantasy XV Article Critical Of SJWs
(Last Updated On: December 7, 2016)

It seems to be a growing phenomenon that some social media networks have made it untenable for people to criticize or espouse certain views. For instance, NeoGaf instantly banned people for criticizing the mods or staff for being SJWs. Twitter has been banning far right conservatives and pundits. Gamespot also prohibited people from criticizing SJWs in the comment section at one point. And now it appears that criticizing SJWs regarding their opinions on game likes Final Fantasy XV isn’t tolerated on the gaming forum of IMZY.

Robin Ek from The Gaming Ground recently published a piece over on the site called “Final Fantasy XV – The Whine About Cindy Aurum’s Boobs And Looks”. It discusses how regular culture critics – usually identified by most people as Social Justice Warriors – have been tearing into Final Fantasy XV, calling it sexist and a “male power fantasy”. This comes from individuals such as Jonathan McIntosh and games journalists, of course.

Nevertheless, the article from TheGG pointing out certain hypocrisies by culture critics, male feminists and SJWs was not welcome on IMZY. If you check the entry on the social sharing site, you’ll see that IMZY has removed TheGG’s article.

I did ask Robin Ek about the ban and apparently they didn’t offer any additional explanations as to why the content was removed. However, Robin does point to the user comments complaining about the article, where they flagged it for being inappropriate.

One user named mercysgaze wrote that Robin should have dropped a lot of the language that might put people on edge, writing…

“Tbh giving your article a title that begins with “The Whine About” isn’t going to help anyone be more open to your article. If you want actual open and serious discussion about this stuff, it’s probably a good idea to drop a lot of the language that’s bound to set people’s teeth on edge before they even get to the actual article.”

Others agreed, upvoting mercy’s comment, with others like LinLeigh weighing with added criticism of the article, writing…

“I’m definitely going to keep wining about “sexy” characters. One of the reasons is because sexy has become code for half naked characters with little to do in terms of plot or gameplay.

 

“This annoys me especially in a game like FFXV where female representation is already very poor.”

It’s no surprise that the media complaining about Cindy completely ignored other prominent females in Final fantasy XV such as state secretary of Altissia. Camelia, or Gladiolus’ sister, Iris. What’s more is that Iris gets more screen time than Cindy, but she isn’t brought up by the critics.

A lot of the criticisms of Cindy basically boils down to: females shouldn’t be portrayed sexily in games, even if there are other non-sexy females in the game.

What’s more is that in the IMZY community they feel that they can criticize characters like Cindy and berate the designer’s character portrayals and art-direction in Final Fantasy XV but they don’t feel others should be able to criticize them for having those opinions.

For instance, users like cavitycreep had no problems with reporting the article to the moderators due to disagreeing with its content, as well as feeling as if their ideals and sociopolitical stance shouldn’t be criticized,  writing…

“It’s frustrating that an article like this is posted, and then we’re told that we’re the ones who need to be respectful.

 

“The link itself is completely disrespectful in and of itself, so why should I show civility and decency to someone who has shown such contempt for me and my ideals?

 

“I’ll give my respect and courtesy to people who give me the same benefit, and the title of the post outright tells me I’m a “whiner”.”

One of the moderators tried warning the community that the article wouldn’t be removed unless it clearly violated the rules, with moderator MisterWoodhouse explaining…

“Folks, please remember to be respectful. If you believe certain users are violating the rules of this community and/or Imzy’s Community Policy with their comments, please report the comments in question, not the post itself.”

Most of the commenters ignored the warning about reporting the post, because apparently after enough reports, the moderators removed the post from TheGG.

This isn’t the first time that IMZY has laid down the heavy hand of censorship against content creators sharing #GamerGate and identity politics related material. Previously, the site banned the #GamerGate community and removed posts relating to the Crash Override Network leaks. They claimed that informing people about Crash Override Network’s attempt to harass and dox people was “harassment”.

Sadly, the marketplace of exchanging ideas has dwindled down greatly as many major social media networks such as Twitter, Reddit, Facebook and IMZY are quick to censor content that doesn’t quite align with their political leaning ideology.

[Update 12/7/2016:] Moderator MisterWoodhouse posted an update to his comment explaining why TheGG article was removed, writing…

“It has been brought to my attention that there are some unanswered questions regarding the conversation here and the post’s removal. This post was removed for violation of /gaming’s Rule 1: Keep it civil. We want this community to be respectful. If you take issue with somebody’s argument, attack their argument. Do not attack their person. Say that an argument isn’t based in reality, rather than calling the person who made it delusional. This applies to articles posted as well as original posts and comments made here.

 

“We’re more than happy to have this community be host to debates on tropes, appearances, localization changes, etc. in the industry, but we require that such debates remain civil and do not descend into personal attacks.

 

“The /gaming community leadership team takes no sides when it comes to GamerGate, anti-GamerGate, etc. We expect that all sides keep things civil and will take action on any post or comment that crosses the line, regardless of the ideologies involved. An attack is an attack is an attack. We cannot see everything, so having things reported to us helps. Hopefully, that clears things up for folks.


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  • Alistair

    That update sums it rather well. Do Not attack SJWs but their bullshit.

    What a cop out, next thing saying someone delusional is a hate speech.

    But they right with one thing do not take sides if SJWs mind their own business there be no censorship. If you don’t take sides. They can’t use it against you.

    Because you hold the moral high ground.

    • Maybe Robin can edit his original article, remove all the so-called “ad hominems”, “attacks” and “hate speech” from it and re-post it onto IMZY perhaps?

      It would be interesting to see what happens and the SJWs/feminists reaction to it then, considering that they already acknowledge Robin’s original article.

  • Alistair

    Let put this one into bed once and for all.

    Cindy is only 1 character in the game, they may be another ones but cindy is the only one doing the round on the internet.

    Apparently the story is weak, weaker then FF13. Well that because of bum bubbies if there were female party members.

    Then they can grow a story from that, and not a mish mash of a story.

  • Was reading the 2016-12-07 20:40 update on Robik Ek’s article at his site, and came across this (not sure if this was already there before the update though):

    This a quote from one of the crybabies, which Robin seems to have run into some trouble with, know as mercysgaze:

    “And yes I realize the FF devs have a tendency to skimp the dudes up as well, which I appreciate. That said, there’s a much bigger trend of sexualizing women, which does make Cindy’s design unfortunate, particularly because she’s one of a few female characters. (Which is also disappointing from an FF game)”

    Broad daylight double standards.

    Shocking.

  • dirtysteve

    This is the first time I ever heard of Imzy,

  • Slartibartfast

    The lead writer of Final Fantasy XV is Itamuro Saori, a woman.

    Therefore, each and every one of those commenters are guilty of trying to kick a woman out of video gaming, and should be reported as such to Imzy’s mods.

  • Mike Campbell

    Come just get over it not everybody is going to like Cindy design stop forcing you opinion on the them, you being just as bad as the sjw with shit like this

    • It’s fine that people don’t like Cindy’s design, I don’t think it’s fine that they censor people from defending her design.

      • Mike Campbell

        I think robin could of done better without the ad-hominem attacks but I don’t agree with them removing his article and tbf Cindy design is pandering and she suppose to be a mechanic

        • Joe R

          “I think robin could of done better without the ad-hominem attacks”

          Agreed. Maybe that’s why it got removed? The Imzy folks seem pretty against that sort of thing. Maybe we’re barking up the wrong tree as to the reason for the removal?

          • Calling people “whiny” is something he has every right to do. I have no idea why that’s such a big issue when over the last two years mainstream and enthusiast media has called gamers “sexist”, “racist” “transphobic” and every other name under the book and none of their articles have been removed from social media.

            It’s literally a double standard.

            What’s more is that the mods stated themselves that his article did not violate the rules. So it was removed because people got triggered that it had a differing opinion from the usual SJW tripe.

          • Joe R

            Is Imzy to be burdened with the decisions of other media sites? Have you evidence of a double standard on Imzy itself or are you projecting the inaction of other outlets upon Imzy?

            Also, I read the quote from the mod and he (I assume he, given “Mister”) did not say the post did not violate the rules. The quote specifies that users should report bad behavior in comments on those specific comments. If Imzy is similar to Reddit in this regard, I would guess that the post can be reported or individual comments can be reported. If my guess is on the mark, it sounds to me like users were reporting the post for stuff that was happening in the comments, rather than the content of the post itself, and this mod fellow was seeking to fix that. That was my read of the context, anyway.

          • Have you evidence of a double standard on Imzy itself or are you projecting the inaction of other outlets upon Imzy?

            Two seconds of searching “gaming sexism” and I find a post ridiculing Kotaku In Action and a post mocking an entry about sexism in gaming.

            https://www.imzy.com/keikaku_in_action/post/sexism_is_good_in_gaming_community_unless_its_men

            I’m sure if I actually put in some effort I could find the inverse of Robin’s article where they attack and ridicule people as being sexist for liking certain games.

          • Joe R

            Is the site similar to Reddit in that they allow the mods of different subs to create and maintain their own rules for the sub? Could be a case of the gaming sub having different rules than this other sub.

            Is the Mister mod on both subs?

          • They have “community leaders” so I’m guessing it’s up to them. But the actual administrators completely removed the GamerGate communities, because they didn’t want any posts about the Crash Override Network leaks on there.

            It’s more than obvious there’s a double-standard going on. I would have to further search through the gaming hub to find more articles, but the Gaming sub linked to in this article is the general Gaming sub equivalent to /r/gaming.

          • Joe R

            I read that article about the GG sub. The leader got banned and there was something about archiving until another user stepped forward to lead? Doesn’t sound like they removed it.

          • You can’t access the communities anymore since the owner of the boards is banned. It’s true they’re not “removed” from the actual service but removed from participation:

            http://i.imgur.com/vEnhdS9.png

            It’s effectively like city ordinance putting a closed sign in front of a store.

        • “Cindy design is pandering and she suppose to be a mechanic”

          What an absolutely pathetic and bigoted attitude to have. Typical of a male feminist.

          Your ilk claim to be about “diversity” and “inclusivity” but I guess that all completely goes out the window when it comes to straight male gamers huh?

          And there’s me thinking that video games were fictional and about fantasy and entertainment. Boy was I wrong!!

          • Mike Campbell

            It’s called suspension of disbelief, it’s not a feminist thing to think that Cindy design is blantent pandering and she suppose to be a mechanic but she looks like a supermodel, you can make her attractive without the blatant fanservice

          • Wouldn’t the same apply to Gladiolus? Feel free to show me a secret service agent for the POTUS who walks around with his shirt open.

          • inB4 “agency” and “male power fantasy”

          • Cap’n Catpants

            Yes. A female being beautiful is Patriarchy-induced oppression, but a male being sexually attractive to women is “power fantasy”.

          • Joe R

            Gladiolus would be the most intimidating Secret Service agent ever.

          • Cap’n Catpants

            So you believe there aren’t mechanics somewhere out there who look like supermodels? And this is a game with the word “fantasy” in the title. Everybody makes people overly attractive in fiction. Bad guys are often made ugly. Why don’t you complain about that?

            Never mind the fact that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, you’re complaining about how “real” a fictional game is. If you want reality, just go outside. If you think she’s too beautiful to be a mechanic, that says more about your personal taste, opinion and perception of the world than anything else.

            In all my years, the females I’ve met in my everyday life look way more attractive than any models/supermodels and most actresses/celebrities. That’s my opinion.

          • “it’s not a feminist thing to think that Cindy design is blantent pandering”

            Yes it is a feminist thing, because that kind of complaint only ever comes from the SJWs/feminists.

            Maybe you get some brofist dudebro fags every now and then whining about it, but the absolute vast majority of complaints like this are from feminists.

            And so fucking what even if it is blatant pandering? Video games are fictional and can be about fantasy and entertainment.

            “but she looks like a supermodel, you can make her attractive without the blatant fanservice”

            “muh realism”

            I’ll repeat it again for you: Video games are fictional and can be about fantasy and entertainment.

          • Mike Campbell

            But it’s. It not ok to pander to feminist gamers, it’s transformers 2 levels of pandering fanservice for Cindy that it overshadows her everything else about her

          • Cap’n Catpants

            Again, “pandering fanservice” is highly subjective. If you think it’s “pandering fanservice” at the level of Transformers 2, that says a lot more about you than anything else.

          • Even if it is “transformers 2 levels” (what an absurd statement) of pandering fanservice, that should be okay.

            Video games are fictional and can be about fantasy and entertainment.

          • Cap’n Catpants

            I think there’s also a big difference between pandering with pleasing aesthetics (stuff most people actually want to see) and pandering with product placement, memes, etc. (stuff most people don’t want or don’t care to see).

            I guess you could arguably say they are both potentially immersion breaking, but at the same time, suspension of disbelief also relies somewhat on the viewer.

          • The basis of Mike Campbell’s arguments is the “muh realism” and “immersion” fallacies.

            It’s one of the hallmark traits/demands from the SJW/feminist side, because this argument allows them to advocate for the censorship of material without appearing too promiscuous. It also allows them to appear “logical” and “professional” as well.

            Examples being the bikini armor and boob plate fiasco:

            “Bikini armor does not protect her whole body”

            sounds far better than:

            “I HATE BOOBS ITS SEXIST BAN IT”

            The fact that they only ever target sexy female characters with this argument is proof that they are doing it for their own bitter agenda.

            Also, let’s just say that in the FFXV, the gender roles were reversed. Instead, it’s 4 female heroines going to get their car fixed. The mechanic is a male character who is “objectified” just to pander to the female audience, you know, having no “agency” whatsoever. I absolutely guarantee you that Mike Campbell and the SJWs will not say a single word about it. If they do say anything, they would be praising and glorifying it.

          • Joe R

            Also, Transformers 2 should never be used as a standard for anything except for awfulness (minus Shia’s accurate portrayal of him losing his mind)

          • Cap’n Catpants

            In reality, character design artists go through a long design process involving many reiterations and influenced by many factors, decisions, reasons, etc. You’re dismissing all of that by boiling it all down to “pandering”, based on your personal opinion, personal understanding, and personal perception.

            If you think an attractive female cannot believably be a mechanic, that’s YOU being sexist.

          • Let’s face it, this is he wanted Cindy to look like, so he could feel good about his brave fight for wymmin against the patriarchy:

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/773c92bb7f6c55a02926d74706e14f3da1c787fa353f9d3a57e4fa16396b3119.jpg

          • Cap’n Catpants

            That image actually shows up if I type “FF15 Cindy” into Google Images. I was going to say that it’s probably much harder and less believable to be a fat mechanic, but then I looked up “fat mechanic”.

          • That’s interesting, I wonder why that image shows up when you Google it “FF15 Cindy”?

            If I were to guess, it’s probably because it’s linked to some SJW spack somewhere whining of “unrealistic female body standards”.

          • Alistair

            Omg listen to yourself “without the blatant fan service”

            Here it is in a nut shell 3% is male fan service and the rest is made up for the women that like strong guys.

            I said again why does a game have to reflect real life.

            If cindy dress in greasy overalls it reflect real life. Games are NOT SUPPOSED to be like that.

            Stop pushing a agenda.

            Here some news flash apparently some fan service didn’t save the game from piss upon from reviews. NG saying the story is a mess, etc etc.

            So after 10 years it a shadow of it former self.

        • Cap’n Catpants

          She looks like a mechanic to me. I don’t know anything about her character, but just from her appearance, I’d imagine she’s the type who likes being a woman, but doesn’t like people assuming she’s manly because she’s a mechanic, so she shows her bust to remind people that she’s actually quite feminine.

          Maybe I’m out of touch with reality, but I’m pretty sure women in reality do stuff like that all the time. It’s a long stretch to assume women are being “brainwashed by the Patriarchy” into “objectifying” themselves. Most women actually like being beautiful and attractive. Hell, most people want to be beautiful and attractive.

        • Cap’n Catpants

          My apologies, I take back some of what I said. I could swear she was wearing pants.

          And I just remembered something else: Japanese character designers apparently take cosplay into consideration. They often design stuff that real women will want to cosplay as. They probably wouldn’t cosplay it if it looked too ordinary and didn’t stand out.

          • “I take back some of what I said. I could swear she was
            wearing pants. If it was me, I would remove the thigh-highs.”

            You were doing so well in this thread too. What a shame

  • MusouTensei

    Fuck Imzy… whatever that is.

    • Cap’n Catpants

      A Soros op, clearly.

  • Reaper of Salt

    So, its perfectly okay for gaming media to publish articles about ostracizing male gamers and telling them that they’re dead. But its an absolute NO-NO to criticize special SJW snowflakes thus are forced to pull the article from their website.

    Heh… yeah, no sign of asinine double standards here ladies and gents.

    https://youtu.be/OS-liV28Wtc

    • Cap’n Catpants

      More like, it’s an absolute no-no to oppose Soros’ agenda of completely destroying civilization. It’s amazing how many people are eagerly onboard with destroying themselves, and the lengths they go for it.

  • Alistair

    Good lord we can’t have the male gaze looking on cindys nice busted Tits can we *drools*

    But we can have men pec and the size of his bunge that the size makes you what you are.

    If the game to long they whine, if the game too hard they whine, if the game doesn’t reflect they lives e.g. Social justice values they FUCKING whine.

    My tip is do not be a tithead, do not play games you think it not for you. If you offered do something else you like instead.

    If you want to be treated like a tool then continue to do what you do.

    *I await the payment of 40 quid for my time.

    *The last part was a joke.

    • She does have nice boobs, though – and butt when she’s repairing the Regalia. (That pose drives me wild.)

      Plus I find Iris quite cute.

      • lol, appreciating the female fanservice in FFXV is like clinging onto the last piece of driftwood in the sea

        • How so?

          • Because of the ratio of fanservice

          • Cap’n Catpants

            I’d assume it’s because if you wanted fan service you could get it anywhere else instead of trying to dig up the tiny portions in FF15 like the mainstream Sorosite SJWs are doing solely because FF15 is well-known, and they want attention.

  • Cap’n Catpants

    What the fuck is Imzy? I think I’ve asked that question before, and I still haven’t heard anything about Imzy since. It’s like they only exist to censor the truth and back SJW bullshit. Wouldn’t be surprised if Soros created them, then.

    Speaking of censorship, did you see Reddit seems to have removed their vote censorship of The_Donald? Max thread votes jumped from 3-4k to 10-30k+.They were suppressing Trump support by THAT MUCH. That is some crazy disgusting shit right there.

  • SJW: “It’s frustrating that an article like this is posted, and then we’re told that we’re the ones who need to be respectful.”

    Boo-fucking-hoo. It’s not like you planned on listening to the other side anyway, you spastic crybaby.

    • It’s fucking incredible.

      They’ve spent the last 2-3 years completely shitting on the entire culture and shitting on male gamers in every conceivable way.

      And they have the sheer gall to talk about being “respectful”.

  • Sevuz

    Never heard of the site. But after reading this article, it safe to say the only thing you should post on their website is this https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f1965433319526cc6af6c8832a77b8e05d072ba177679126ab08dd05540e22a6.png

  • Blake

    Can we all please stop slut shaming Cindy =

    • Remember, slut-shaming is okay in the religion of SocJus… but only if you’re one of them.

      http://i.imgur.com/LppkRGg.png

      • lucben999

        Their dogma creates a pretty ridiculous dilemma. On one hand, women should be free to flaunt their sexuality, on the other hand, men should not be allowed to enjoy it.

        The problem with Cindy is not how she’s dressed, but that she appeals to a supposed straight male audience and, through some magical invocations of patriarchy at every step, they claim that straight men enjoying a sexy female character translates into a tangible contribution to the subjugation of all women.

        The general rule is that anything involving a female (especially sex-related) becomes suspect or harmful as soon as a straight male enjoys or otherwise benefits from it, all the talk about objectification and other pseudo-intellectual buzzwords are just rationalization for that.

        • Cap’n Catpants

          Everyone should just be a sexy woman, and then nobody would complain about anything. Going by what society has arbitrarily decided of women, all abuse and assault would cease. All wars would end. Nobody would perversely glance at anybody’s ass or chest, or chauvinistically hold doors open for them, or compliment women on their incredible beauty and loveliness.

          The galaxy would be at peace. The baby. The baby.

          • lucben999

            Their solution would actually be to eradicate men.

            Without the male gaze making sexuality nefarious, there would be no problem with sexuality.

            Of course they would be faced with the problem of the extinction of the human race, that’s why they’re so understanding as to advocate for the reduction of males to 10% of the population rather than outright extermination. Isn’t that considerate?

          • Cap’n Catpants

            They desperately wanted Hillary to start World War 3 with lots of nukes. I’m sure they’re fine with the extinction of humanity.

            I kinda wish SJWs would get exactly what they want, because only then would they realize how badly and irreversibly it’d screw them and everyone else over. They need to be on the receiving end of their own bullshit.

    • Cap’n Catpants

      It’s ironic (and by that I mean absolutely pathetic and disgusting) that “liberals” and self-proclaimed “feminists” are the ones who meltdown whenever a girl freely picks herself a seductive outfit.

      I know we’re talking about Cydney here, but they do the same shit to real people and characters designed by and loved by women.

      Was watching a livestream of a Japanese woman playing an old RPG yesterday. She and her audience started talking about how she likes to dress up cute girls with stuff that would make SJW toenails curl.

  • Fear Me I Am Free

    Did 15 have any censorship or localization problems? I haven’t heard anything bad. I’ve heard it’s not that bad of a game, though it’s not perfect.

    • I don’t think so. This is just a case of whining SJWs/feminists getting butthurt over Cindy’s cleavage while drooling over Cloud’s abs

      • Alistair

        Censored gaming said yes the game is censored.

        But it wasn’t because of any sexuality, but religion content due to age rating.

        It not clear if it PEGI or ESRB I know PEGI doesn’t give two fucks about sexuality, religion etc.

        It possibly be China the issue come from. Either way I haven’t decided to buy it yet, it hit raving reviews.

        Must be SJWs feminists drooling over males pecs and ads.

        Isn’t it funny they no such thing as a female gaze only the dreaded Male gaze.

        That is sexist and I’m OFFENDED fuck you femmists cucks.

        What are the chances of me able to libel them billy.

        Zero.

        • Cap’n Catpants

          Don’t you know that everything a male does from the moment of birth is a terrible crime and destroys the galaxy? Only women are allowed to enjoy life.

          That is “equality”.

          • Alistair

            But with out us males they be no babies.

            Males are only good for one thing Sex. While the other 90% we are scorned upon.

          • Cap’n Catpants

            Don’t worry, I’m sure they are working hard to clone babies so that they can sacrifice even more of them to Moloch.

      • Cap’n Catpants

        It’s probably more like they hate both Cindy and Cloud and are busy sacrificing kids to Moloch in the hopes that he will cure their obesity.

        • From what I’ve seen of the MSGM, it’s Cindy they hate.

          • Cap’n Catpants

            I get the impression that many of the people bitching about attractive fictional females are the ones parading around naked in real life and posting nude selfies all the time. The Gamespot Onechanbara R “reviewer” was like that. That just makes it seem to be like they’re jealous.

            Must be hard for real women to compete with fictional females who don’t have emotional meltdowns, don’t require tons of sucking up to, and aren’t lawfully and socially encouraged to ruin men’s lives.

    • Cap’n Catpants

      They changed Cydney’s name to Cindy. That’s already too much censorship/localization problem to me.

      Was talking with JP people about how FF15 is bug central and Squenix has forgotten what “fantasy” is. But everyone seems to love FF15 in the West. I saw someone posted an image of one of the main characters imploding into a twisted mess while riding a Chocobo. Fun stuff.

      I still haven’t pinpointed why JP and the West seem to have such differing opinions on FF15. I think it might be because Japan tends to enjoy RPGs that are more like classic Dragon Quest, and FF15 is more like a mishmash of recent game design?

      • “I still haven’t pinpointed why JP and the West seem to have such differing opinions on FF15. I think it might be because Japan tends to enjoy RPGs that are more like classic Dragon Quest, and FF15 is more of a mishmash of recent game design?”

        It is very surprising on why it doesn’t seem to be well-received in Japan. The game is a Yaoi boyband walking simulator. You’d think Japan would’ve loved it.

        But it’s no surprise then that the Western feminist cucks love it. It must be so hard for them to choke down the fact that Cindy is in the game to ruin their Gay/Yaoi shipping fantasies.

      • MusouTensei

        “They changed Cydney’s name to Cindy. That’s already too much censorship/localization problem to me.”
        Not in the german translation 😛

        • Cap’n Catpants

          What’s her name in the German translation?

          • MusouTensei

            Cidney.

      • Fear Me I Am Free

        Yeah, the Cidney name change was outright retarded. She’s the granddaughter of Cid for fuck sake.

      • I still haven’t pinpointed why JP and the West seem to have such differing opinions on FF15. I think it might be because Japan tends to enjoy RPGs that are more like classic Dragon Quest, and FF15 is more like a mishmash of recent game design?

        No, it’s because we DON’T get games like this that are highly advertised in the West at all. Like, in Japan FFXV is nothing new. Its design and gameplay are featured in a lot of other similar games (maybe not the teleporting combat, but the overall design philosophy).

        It’s like a bastard child between Dark Souls and a Tales Of game.

        Here in the West those games are rare. We get shooter upon shooter upon [current flavor of the month] game. If you look at it from a Westerner’s perspective, FFXV is a HUGE breath of fresh air. Think about what it launched up against: Titanfall 2, Battlefield 1, Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare, Watch Dogs 2, Dead Rising 4, Dishonored 2….

        All the major AAA games this fall were derivative sequels with minor upgrades here or there. FFXV may have been a sequel but it’s 1000% different from the action-shooters mentioned above. It actually has some kind of differing factors that made it standout, hence why so many Westerners are enthralled by it (even if some hate aspects of the story and gameplay).

        • Cap’n Catpants

          Mmm. Good point. It’s probably mutiple reasons.

  • Hawk Hopper

    “If you want actual open and serious discussion about this stuff, it’s probably a good idea to drop a lot of the language that’s bound to set people’s teeth on edge before they even get to the actual article.”

    So being triggered physically closes people’s mouths? Holy hell, if that were true, Movie Bob wouldn’t be a total lard ass.

    • Cap’n Catpants

      I thought he killed himself from openly defending actual rapists. Oh wait, liberals, feminists and SJWs LOVE actual rape. Not surprising considering their master Soros funds child/woman abuse and murder, for starters.

  • Gerg Arata

    I’m of a mind to agree with mercysgaze, it sounds like the language and tone of the article was pretty acerbic. If you’re trying to convince people of something rely more on the logic point and try not to come off sounding so supercilious. I realize this is the definition of “tone-policing”, but i’m definitely more inclined to be open-minded to a new view when someone addresses me in a civil, respectful tone, rather than aggressive, patronizing one.

    • I’m of a mind to agree with mercysgaze, it sounds like the language and tone of the article was pretty acerbic.

      I don’t think it’s any more antagonizing than articles from the opposite side of the view that calls people misogynists and sexists for liking characters like Cindy or the developers sexists and misogynists for making the characters.

      It’s the far side of the same coin. But my view is this: If one side is allowed to make inflammatory comments and criticisms, the other side should be able to do the same.

      I’m not really appreciative of censoring language on one side of an argument while allowing that language to flourish just because it has a more “acceptable” viewpoint.

      I don’t remember Reddit, Twitter or Facebook coming down on Polygon for censoring and banning users, calling them misogynists and sexists when they didn’t agree that #GamerGate was a harassment campaign.

    • Cinj

      You would have something of a point if not for the fact that these people had his article removed, thus depriving anyone else of the opportunity “to be open-minded to a new view”. The real issue lies in the fact that a vocal and selfish few elects themselves the arbiter of what ideas and opinions are allowed to be expressed. That’s tyranny in its most base form.

      But that’s giving these spoiled children too much credit. They’re merely repeating on the internet what has always worked on their pushover, “self-esteem movement” parents: throw a tantrum until you get what you want. Sadly, the rest of us who have a maturity level better than that of a five-year-old have to suffer for it.

    • Have you not seen the hundreds of aggressive, patronizing and slanderous “misogynist” “sexist” “basement-dwelling” “straight male gamers” that have been peddled by the mainstream games media for the last 2-3+ years?

      The language and tone of Robin’s article is daisies when compared to the malicious misandrist and racist crap that comes from the likes of Kotaku and Polygon. The difference is so astronomical that it’s not even a comparison.

      As usual, it’s okay when SJWs do it, but not the other side. But hey, we all know that SJWs and feminists are the moral arbiters of the entire universe.

      As for mercysgaze, this person obviously needs to develop a thicker skin.

      • Joe R

        “The language and tone of Robin’s article is daisies when compared to the malicious misandrist and racist crap that comes from the likes of Kotaku and Polygon.”

        Do the same folks who removed Robin’s article allow such articles from the other side of the table? If not, seems like a fair standard has been applied to both sides.

          • Joe R

            Is the Mister fellow a mod there too? If so, that’s the ballgame. If not, seems like reddit, with different subs enforcing rules differently.

          • Here are the rules for the gaming sub:
            http://i.imgur.com/4NznYeS.png

            Doesn’t mention anything about article content. There are a couple of moderators over the gaming sub but the Mister guy isn’t a mod over the GamerGhazi sub.

            Regardless, the article was removed based on ideological stances and not necessarily due to any violation of those rules above.

          • Joe R

            Perhaps they didn’t find that the article was civil. It was certainly a little rough on some critics.

          • Dude, who cares if it’s rough on critics? They literally say “you’re commenting on content, not the author!”

            They make no mention of articles needing to be civil. Also, why on earth should they be allowed to thought-police article content? They’re an aggregation and social media service, people can say they don’t like the content all they want but banning it because of perceived slights based on a lack of tone policing? Do you have any idea how fascist that sounds?

          • Joe R

            “They make no mention of articles needing to be civil.”

            They also make no mention of posts or comments needing to be civil. Are you saying that the lack of specificity disqualifies them from enforcing that rule in their own community?

          • Actually, Mister does specify comments in his statement to the community on the post itself, saying…

            Folks, please remember to be respectful. If you believe certain users are violating the rules of this community and/or Imzy’s Community Policy with their comments, please report the comments in question, not the post itself.

            So the specificity was in relation to “comments in question, not the post itself” when it came to reporting on community policies.

            Also in the rules above, it mentions “Comment Reminder” not “Post Reminder”. No where do they specify that articles must be “tone policed” or that they can’t use certain kinds of language, but they do specify that toward users commenting on the site.

          • Joe R

            For me, it comes down to it being their community and they being able to enforce their rules subject to their interpretation of those rules. Getting all riled up because the article in question didn’t meet their standards seems like a waste of energy. I’d recommend making a second article that focuses entirely on arguments without resorting to any ad hominem attacks. Surely, such an article wouldn’t be uncivil in their eyes. That would be much more productive than bemoaning the situation in an echo chamber.

          • Cap’n Catpants

            Billy is just reporting that this kind of shit is happening, because SJWs keep claiming it doesn’t.

          • I’d recommend making a second article that focuses entirely on arguments without resorting to any ad hominem attacks

            I genuinely do not care about trivial sexism in gaming topics based on what someone is wearing… really, I feel it’s a waste of time on most accounts. The only reason this article exists is as @cgsaturation:disqus mentions: the GG article was censored on grounds of tone policing, not because it specifically broke any rules.

            Anyone who wastes time out of their day to slut-shame a fictional character for the purpose of virtue signaling has some serious self-worth issues.

          • Joe R

            I guess we’ll never know if their Rule 1 was the trigger or not then.

          • Cap’n Catpants

            I think Soros is the trigger, because he’s the one that’s been funding the brainwashing and planting weird ideas in everybody’s heads. He is intentionally creating disharmony and wants to destroy civilization as we know it.

          • Cap’n Catpants

            Perhaps people with power tend to be corrupt assholes who don’t follow their own rules, and push their own personal agenda.

          • Joe R

            Perhaps, but I’ve yet to see any indication as to what the mod’s opinion of the article’s content and its arguments might be, so their personal agenda is unknown.

            What if one of us were to pose as an SJW and make a post to their gaming sub, linking some foul takedown article from an SJW at Kotaku, and see if they uphold the rule fairly or not? Seems as good a test as any.

          • Cap’n Catpants

            Well, like you said, it’s not really productive to waste time on echo chamber hugbox stuff. I would also sooner kill myself than pose as an SJW.

          • Joe R

            Well, if you have a good article to plant, I’ll perform the test and report back with my results.

          • Cap’n Catpants

            To be honest, I avoid SJW sites like Kotaku like the plague. Wouldn’t want to give them the hits, either.

          • Joe R

            Experimentation requires sacrifice.

          • Cap’n Catpants

            It’s not really worth my soul~

          • Joe R

            Had the post open in another tab. Went to it to see about signing up for my test. Found this edit on the comment:

            UPDATE: It has been brought to my attention that there are some unanswered questions regarding the conversation here and the post’s removal. This post was removed for violation of /gaming’s Rule 1: Keep it civil. We want this community to be respectful. If you take issue with somebody’s argument, attack their argument. Do not attack their person. Say that an argument isn’t based in reality, rather than calling the person who made it delusional. This applies to articles posted as well as original posts and comments made here.

            We’re more than happy to have this community be host to debates on tropes, appearances, localization changes, etc. in the industry, but we require that such debates remain civil and do not descend into personal attacks.

            The /gaming community leadership team takes no sides when it comes to GamerGate, anti-GamerGate, etc. We expect that all sides keep things civil and will take action on any post or comment that crosses the line, regardless of the ideologies involved. An attack is an attack is an attack. We cannot see everything, so having things reported to us helps. Hopefully, that clears things up for folks.

            Not sure how to block quote that, but I guess we got to Mister and he provided clarification. The edit time says it was made like half an hour ago.

            Nice to have additional info.

          • I’ll update this article with his quote. Also, if you still want to run the test, I linked the Kotaku article above. That would be the perfect way to see if they stand by that policy.

          • Joe R

            I’ll run the test. If they remove it, I will be pleasantly surprised.

          • Joe R

            Well, holy shit. They removed it.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/52c279bb97f221042d1e409888eb86933a9c6577d68e27fc94768ed811afdc3a.png

            Unrelated note – the signup process was oddly soothing. I don’t think I’ll continue to use the site, but I did enjoy that aspect of it. It’s very colorful and whimsical.

          • LOL… kind of makes me wonder if they did that specifically in response to just recently clarifying the rule? I guess we’ll never know.

            Thanks for trying anyway.

          • Joe R

            As annoying as the initial post’s removal was, I gotta give credit where it is due. Mister set the bar and he or another mod enforced it equally. If they’re gonna be a hugbox, at least they’re being a fair hugbox.

            In the words of the meme gods, it’s something.

          • Cap’n Catpants

            Thanks for being reasonable and stuff.

          • Joe R

            Stuff and things are my trade. Reasonableness is among the things 🙂

          • Here’s one:
            http://kotaku.com/the-real-problem-with-that-controversial-sexy-video-ga-478120280

            Goes through the gamut of “sexism”, “boys club”, “juvenile” and even calls it “embarrassing”.

            Frame it as a post in history — a discussion about where we’ve come in the years since and if things have changed, and see if they bite.

    • Cap’n Catpants

      I don’t think I’ve ever seen an SJW article (or any other form of discourse) that isn’t “acerbic”.

      Type “Final Fantasy 15 sexism” into Soros-friendly Google and you immediately get hits from Soros-funded propaganda sites like The Mary Soros that flatly (and falsely) state that Final Fantasy 15 fans are “sexist pigs” that “hate women”.

      Whereas, if were to exist in reality and not a vacuum in Dimension Soros, it’s obvious FF15 designs are more appealing to female gamers. But Western women wouldn’t know that because they’re trying so hard to be the world’s richest and most powerful Islamic(??) old men.