Lady Bits Kickstarter Wants To Start A Conversation About Females In Gaming
Lady Bits Kickstarter
(Last Updated On: May 3, 2017)

A new crowdfunding campaign has popped up over on Kickstarter from Toronto, Canada native Liana Kerzner. The name of the project is called Lady Bits By Liana Kerzner, and it’s aimed at being a series about discussing females in gaming.

Now I know what the typical response is to something like this: “Didn’t Anita Sarkeesian already do this?”

The answer is yes… and no. Sarkeesian used the platform to play a damsel in distress to rack in a lot of money from white knights after making a video showing that she wasn’t strong enough to deal with the criticisms and trolling from people on the internet. She then used that money to make a series of soliloquizes about Tropes vs Women in Games, talking at the audience and censoring any sort of two-way feedback.

Sarkeesian’s goal was to supplant the way women were portrayed in games (regardless of their portrayal), and demonize content aimed at mostly male gamers by convincing developers to subvert demographic targeting. It worked.

Liana wants to do the opposite in terms of topical discussions… hoping to bridge a two-way street of conversation between the topics regarding females in gaming, and the way the audience perceives females, sexuality and sexism in gaming. You can get an idea of what the series is like with the pitch video below.

Some of the community on Kotaku in Action are torn, tired, and fatigued. While some of them support the campaign, others do not.

A good portion of people have kind of “noped!” out of the conversation, and understandably so. Since 2012 the topic of feminism, diversity, representation and sexism have been at the forefront of conversation in the world of gaming. It’s become quite exhaustive for a lot of people. Not only that, but the gaming community have been demonized and attacked so much by the media over the last five years that a lot of people are now perpetually on edge.

Just recently there was some moderate backlash against Darksiders 3 because some people thought the game might be another one of those anti-male, pro-feminist titles pushing a message of third-wave feminism and SJW talking points. Keep in mind that we have no detailed info on Darksiders 3 yet, but the well has been poisoned so badly that just seeing a female lead in movies or games have people on edge… and rightfully so.

When moviegoers opted out of seeing the 2016 reboot of Ghostbusters they were called “sexists” and “racists”. Even movie critics were called “misogynists” for saying they didn’t want to see the film.

The well, in a way, is almost beyond poisoned. It’s like feces-laden poison resting at the bottom, smelling as awful as it looks, and no less deadly. Most people just want to avoid the well altogether, and travel far and wide elsewhere to quench their entertainment thirsts.

In this case, I think Kerzner has good intentions. If this were the series that aired back in 2012 instead of the original “Tropes vs Women in Games”, I’m sure the reception would be far more positive.

However, identity politics has created burnout in a lot of people. They’re just tired.

If, however, you are not tired of this topic and you feel it’s something you would like to continue to discuss – especially in a format that offers two way communication – then you can help support and further the discussion by visiting the Lady Bits Kickstarter page.

The project still has around a month to go before completion, and Kerzner is already halfway to completion as of the writing of this article.


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  • MLGBob26

    Give me a break enough with this shit, ladies nobody cares if you feel oppressed or objectified in video games.This is going to be just as bad as Anita’s video game series especially with Liana Kerzner who is a feminist bitch like she is. This is cancer, feminist need to shut the fuck up and fuck off out of our hobby.

  • TT

    I don’t deny her intentions are at least a bit more palatable than anything from the progs or Josh and Anita, but the topic has just been bled to death at this point, it’s hard to care. Which is a shame, maybe she could bring something interesting to the table, but in this current climate, it seems like a bit of a waste.

  • I despise Sarkeesian and her cronies as much as the next person, and I hate the tattered state and reputation that these faux progressives have left our hobby in. However, while they have poisoned the well, I don’t think that a discussion of portrayal of the sexes in media in general (not just gaming) isn’t without some merit.

    I mean, it does personally bug me how overplayed the “dead mother” trope is, especially as it’s often an excuse for poor writing. Don’t wanna bother portraying a female parent? Just kill her off and never mention her again. What particularly gets to me is how frequently she’s killed off, how disproportionately she’s killed off compared to the father, and how easily she’s killed off. I mean, if there’s a single mother, expect her to be a divorcee or someone who just got crazy in her younger days. A single father almost always has a dead spouse (because of course mothers are just good-natured saints who couldn’t possibly abandon their family). If both parents are dead, oddly, the mother dies first a lot of the time, with the rest of the childhood backstory involving their now-widower father before he meets his demise (not to mention, if the father’s only presumed to be dead, there’s a good chance he’ll just show up before the protagonist in perfect health). And in a good majority of cases, she dies from “illness”. No specific illness, just “illness”, and it tends to happen before their oldest, or only, child graduates elementary school (this crap comes up so often in anime, I honestly question the mortality rate of Japanese females in their 20s-30s). Then you got these traumatized men who had both their wife and their daughter (almost always a daughter) die in some accident or murdered by a target of revenge, while you’ll be very hard-pressed to find a widow who lost her entire family much the same way (though in either case, I think just losing a fiancee would be just as effective; having them get that far in a relationship only to lose it all, while not unrealistic, seems needlessly brutal a lot of the time).

    Now, I am citing my personal, anecdotal observations, so it’s very possible that I could be wrong and that subversions or gender-flips of these scenarios are more common than I thought. But if what I mentioned really is this common, then I think that this a gendered issue that’s actually worth looking into, and one that I wouldn’t mind artists putting more thought into before they just abuse the trope all willy-nilly (never force artists to do what they don’t want to, of course, but having them be more aware and educated shouldn’t hurt). There are other examples of disproportionate gender representation that gets to me as well, like female fighters being comparatively smaller in number while often serving as the Worf, something that shounen battle series and Super Sentai are frequently guilty of (however, such an observation should not ignore the fact that there are several shoujo action series that barely have male fighters at all, and while a lot could be said about blatantly male-targeted fanservice shows such as Strike Witches or “moe” franchises like Touhou Project, the fact remains that they do feature an almost all-female cast; for that matter, one might argue that most female fans of shounen series are fujoshi who welcome a mostly male cast regardless). But yeah, the point I’m getting at is that gender representation can be talked about, and there are issues probably worth talking about, but it really should be done in a reasonable manner and NOT some scam-artist poisoning the mainstream media while she slants the whole thing into a one-sided discussion.

    • Usually both parents die. It’s rare that the father or father figure lives (and isn’t a main villain, like in Fable 1 or Assassin’s Creed 3).

      They usually kill off the mother so you have the downtrodden father who’s too browbeaten to make any great journeys (like Horizon Zero Dawn, Mass Effect Andromeda, or Baldur’s Gate 1 ), or the weight of the situation prevents him from being anything more than a conduit to give the main character an impetus to either get revenge or get stronger (like Mother 3 or Gears of War 4).

      In the case of Gears of War 1 – 3, Marcus’ dad was a dude in distress. Mother was nowhere to be found. I’m pretty sure if the gender roles were reversed people would have complained that the mother was a damsel in distress.

      The “mother” of the Spartans in Halo lived, Dr. Halsey. In fact, she’s still alive in the current canon of the ongoing story.

      In the first Mirror’s Edge both of Faith’s parents die. In the second one the dad dies and the mother gives her the special abilities.

      In the first Godfather game your father also dies, and you’re raised by your mother, who then strikes a bargain with Don Corleone to have you become a part of the family.

      In GTA IV: Ballad of Gay Tony, Luis’ father is gone but his mother is still alive.

      In Ezio’s trilogy in Assassin’s Creed his brothers and father die early on, and his sister and mother help him become an Assassin.

      And in Life is Strange Chloe’s dad dies.

      • Interesting. Aside from Mother 3 (which was actually supporting my point), every single one of your examples are western-developed games….. I take it the trope’s not quite as prevalent there? As you could probably tell from my examples, I am quite heavily focused in Japanese media (though, I have seen the dead mother/wife&daughter in quite a few American films and novels as well). I mean, there’re certainly exceptions (Kill La Kill really spins this trope on its head), but for the most part, it seems Japanese artists are pretty relentless about using it.

        • The thing you have to understand is that in Western media the tropes of close deaths usually center around violence/revenge.

          I don’t have any stats on hand if Westerners really do carry out acts of revenge or vigilantism in real life but it’s definitely popular in games (I do remember that there was one vigilante who made the news some years ago. He drove around in a white mustang with black tinted windows, and he would track down and murder rapists. Literally he was like the Punisher, and police were out to get him. It stood out because he killed one guy while he had abducted a girl on her way to school, and the mother was trying to figure out why the police would want to arrest a man who stopped a murdering rapist. I never followed through with what happened to that guy but… yeah)

          Typically in games like Wet, Max Payne, or the original Red Dead Revolver they center around vigilantism for family members dying.

          In Red Dead Redemption the story was the opposite, and players were out to take down the bad guys in order to protect their life.

          But yeah, in Western media the tropes usually center on losing mother/brother/sister/father/son/daughter for the sake of revenge.

          You’re right about the Japanese reusing a lot of the same tropes in games, though, but it’s also like that with their anime/manga as well.

          I suppose for the most part most designers fall back on what’s popular, and it seems as if people are drawn to stories with certain tropes.

          • tajlund

            And in JRPG’s both parents are usually dead and your character is an amnesiac.

  • MONAD

    Liana K is a bitch in sheep’s clothing. I want nothing to do with her ass.

  • MONAD

    Liana K is a bitch in sheep’s clothing. I want nothing to do with her ass.

  • ImJust1Joe .

    I don’t know. To me it’s like having to listen to someone play Moonlight Sonata horribly for so long when you finally get to someone who plays it knowing what they’re doing, you’re just like who care? I honestly don’t think sexism isn’t so much the problem but rather the gaming media that seems to create outrage and spin a narrative.

  • ImJust1Joe .

    I don’t know. To me it’s like having to listen to someone play Moonlight Sonata horribly for so long when you finally get to someone who plays it knowing what they’re doing, you’re just like who care? I honestly don’t think sexism isn’t so much the problem but rather the gaming media that seems to create outrage and spin a narrative.

    • Corrupt media really is the biggest problem. Had they not been so corrupt Sarkeesian never would have become as popular as she did.

    • Corrupt media really is the biggest problem. Had they not been so corrupt Sarkeesian never would have become as popular as she did.

  • Jonathan Regalado

    I won’t disagree that we gamers are pretty tired of this issue. However I’m going to give this a chance based on what I have seen of her work. Also, and more importantly, as tired as I am of the identity politics in gaming I sure as hell don’t want Anita to be the last voice to be heard in this regard. I’d be wrong to say that Anita and her zealots didn’t have a lasting effect on the gaming industry and that is precisely why Liana needs a fair shot at this topic. If you have your doubts I strongly urge you to take a look at what she has put on her youtube channel and judge for yourselves.

  • Jonathan Regalado

    I won’t disagree that we gamers are pretty tired of this issue. However I’m going to give this a chance based on what I have seen of her work. Also, and more importantly, as tired as I am of the identity politics in gaming I sure as hell don’t want Anita to be the last voice to be heard in this regard. I’d be wrong to say that Anita and her zealots didn’t have a lasting effect on the gaming industry and that is precisely why Liana needs a fair shot at this topic. If you have your doubts I strongly urge you to take a look at what she has put on her youtube channel and judge for yourselves.

  • Raging Papist

    The SJW convergence in the gaming industry continues, just this time with nicer breasts.

  • Mike Campbell

    I’ll give this a chance because atleast Liana understands video games unlike Anita

    • Liana understands video games unlike Anita

      Just a shame that, like all feminists, she doesn’t seem to understand that video games, it’s stories and characters are all fictional and not real human beings.

      The absurdity level of the logic is akin to how BLM and race-baiters lecture us on how shouting “kill all crackers” and showing hatred towards Caucasian people on the basis of their skin colour isn’t racist.

      I simply just cannot wait to be lectured on how computer-generated polygons and pixels hurt women and girls in real life. After all, male characters getting decapitated, shot in the head, electrocuted, raped, tortured, limbs hacked off, bones broken, strangled, etc. in video games have obviously turned all of us gamers into psychopathic murderers and rapists.

  • daniel_ream

    Sigh. Typical.

    It is an unfortunate side effect of Canada’s national inferiority complex that everything the US does, we have to do too, except shittier and with a lower budget. But different, because our entire national identity is based on not being Americans.

  • SevTheBear

    Really wished she had arrived before Anita. Things might have looked different now. But I hope she gets a chance and can make a positive impact

    • Really wished she had arrived before Anita. Things might have looked different now.

      If she was first before Anita then virtually EVERYONE would be on-board the feminist censorship train because cool friendly gamer geek-girl Liana told us it’s right thing to do.

      But I hope she gets a chance and can make a positive impact

      Sorry, but politics, feminism, gender identity, and race politics simply do not belong in video games.

      If you’re talking about building a bridge, then you’re basically allowing an SJW-based ideologue into the culture. Isn’t it bad enough as it is already with Western developers and publishers completely pandering to feminists and screwing the gamers over?

      The only bridge I’m willing to build is the Safe Mode option idea in video games. Anything else is just indirect authoritarian censorship.

      • SevTheBear

        valid points. I guess time will tell if she brings more bad ideas or less.

        • Should she be given a chance? Yes, of course she should.

          Do I personally think it’s going to be the same shitty SJW/feminist ideas which leads to censorship? Yes I do.

      • SevTheBear

        ] a Safe Mode that filters out any “offensive” material

        Wouldn’t that be 80% gaint censor bars most of the time then in SJW land? 😛

        • I would imagine something like all the female characters in burka costumes and no white heterosexual characters

      • V_for_Vodka

        “Safe Mode that filters out any “offensive” material for the perpetually-offended”

        So basically a feature that stops the game from running in the first place.

        • V_for_Vodka

          I just realized that we already have UPlay.
          And as far as I know that hasn’t placated the SJW’s one bit, so there’s that.

  • Alistair

    *also I note she love her pussy. 🐱

  • Mr Snow

    Liana K is twice the woman she used to be.

    • daniel_ream

      She’s knocking on 40 and her career is mostly based on playing second banana to a sock puppet. Like Felicia Day, she’s only famous for being a geeky redhead who _might_ break 6/10 on hotornot.

      I expect this kind of self-serving “Look at me! I have something to say! Except I don’t, because I’m going to pose a bunch of leading questions and pretend you’re making the hard decisions!” from a twenty-something Tumblrette. A 40 year old woman really ought to be doing something more meaningful with her life than playing dressup at geek parties and nattering about video games.

    • daniel_ream

      She’s knocking on 40 and her career is mostly based on playing second banana to a sock puppet. Like Felicia Day, she’s only famous for being a geeky redhead who _might_ break 6/10 on hotornot.

      I expect this kind of self-serving “Look at me! I have something to say! Except I don’t, because I’m going to pose a bunch of leading questions and pretend you’re making the hard decisions!” from a twenty-something Tumblrette. A 40 year old woman really ought to be doing something more meaningful with her life than playing dressup at geek parties and nattering about video games.

  • Migi

    Why do Feminists always need to use kickstarter to make their point? you could do it for Free on youtube with some like minded ppl instead of demanding money to make it. If you watch the Rubin report interview with her she still loves to inject her Feminist Ideology into the mix when it suits her.

  • MusouTensei

    I know she’s not a 3rd wave feminazi but really all I want is that creators can create any games they want without someone telling them that they can’t do certain things like decent looking women or male heroes saving a damsel in distress, this feminist bullshit has ruined the western industry enough already.

  • Mr.Towel

    Ok, going straight to the point: Liana is a resurrected Second-Wave Sex-Positive Feminist.

    If you are comparing modern feminists, she is the best kind you can have. And she is not afraid to show it to you. In the video she’s showing a lot of cleavage and wearing a green fake leather jacket, probably trying to give some nods to kekistan. She definitely has good intentions and wants to give a good impression on the opposing audience.

    But do not think you’ll be free from ideological thinking with her. As good as second-wave feminists can be, or as less bad as they can be, they still believe in a lot of ideological myths about gender, representation and society.

    They’re likely to believe in the “wage gap”.

    They’re likely to believe in “patriarchal oppression”, in the form of a collective unconscious understanding of culture (i.e. you’re a male patriarchal oppressor without even knowing about it)

    They’re certainly liberals, in the sense that they believe government regulations should enforce their ideological conclusions, like regulating quotas for women in workplaces and so on.

    They’re likely to still object what they identify as “sexual objectification”. Sex positive feminists are indeed okay with sexual tones, as long as they align with female sexuality. They’re not okay with sexual overtones. For example, if you represent a sexy female character, you have to do so only as much as a woman would comprehend as sexy. Sexy characters made only please the male psyche are still a no-no, they’re still considered “whores” by most sex positive feminists. You can’t have a sexy character made only to please the male gaze. Sexual objectification still a problem for them. Female sexual objectification obviously, they are usually blind to male sexual objectification, sometimes they even praise it because how sexually assertive it is for women.

    All these points, in themselves, are fine. You can certainly defend them as hypothetical truths. To discuss whether they’re truthful or not. The problem is not the points themselves but when they become ideological in nature. When they make part of a political belief system. They become axioms of understanding, the assumption for all thought. They’re out of questioning, judgement or criticism. To question them is the same as to question the 10 Commandments. To question them is to be evil. Demonic. “Problematic”.

    That’s why I don’t think Liana is ready to lead that kind of discussion. She still has much reading to do. Not just about feminism. It’s about history, anthropology, biology, economics, psychology. You need an interdisciplinary approach to culture if you want to be free from ideological thinking. You need to know how our world works.

    And I feel her to be unprepared for that. In her speech you can see ideological footprints here and there. She has good intentions, no doubt about that. But good intentions are not enough. You need maturity, knowledge, experience. Based Mom would probably be more apt to lead that kind of discussion, if she was interested in games. Liana still has some path ahead for her.

    • They’re likely to still object what they identify as “sexual
      objectification”. Sex positive feminists are indeed okay with sexual
      tones, as long as they align with female sexuality. They’re not okay
      with sexual overtones. For example, if you represent a sexy female
      character, you have to do so only as much as woman would comprehend as sexy. Sexy characters made only please the male psyche are still a no-no, they’re still considered “whores” by most sex positive feminists. You can’t have a sexy character made only to please the male gaze. Sexual objectification still a problem for them.

      Absolutely spot-on.

      Sex-positive feminists has always operated on the concept that if a female character / woman is to be sexy, it MUST be on their terms and definitions, and it MUST be for the purpose of empowering the woman.

      If the female character / woman is designed to appeal to men, it’s completely forbidden to them, and they’ll act EXACTLY like the sex-negative feminists towards it.

      At the end of the day, it’s just the same anti-male culture misandrist rubbish.

      Female sexual objection obviously, they are usually blind to male sexual objectification, sometimes they even praise it because how sex assertive it is for women.

      Indeed. And they’ll make up shit excuses for it as well, such as “male power fantasy” or “he still has agency” or “he is strong and powerful, not sexualized”.

      It’s funny how men are not allowed to assertive towards sexualized women, but women are always allowed to be assertive towards sexualized men.

      Ridiculous double standards and is one of the main reasons on why I dislike SJWs and feminists.

      The only time when Liana Kerzner is ready to talk about gender issues is when she becomes an Egalitarian. So that’s never ever going to happen then.

      • Mr.Towel

        Yep, it’s exactly like that. They can only perceive power as male power, therefore all power that is not masculine is not power. They can’t see why male sexual objectification is exactly the same as female sexual objectification. To them male sexual objectification is ok because they see masculine power in it. In the female sexual objectification, they cannot see the masculine power they so much crave, it’s usually screamingly feminine traits, which they don’t see as power.

        Sometimes they also argue that the female sexual objectification is not “realistic”, “a woman wouldn’t act that way”, “she is acting only to please men and not herself”. They don’t notice that male sexual objectification also does exactly the same, those “perfect” characters you see in Otome-games are completely out of nature with the common men, a man would not act in that way, they’re acting in that way simply to please the woman.

        It’s blind hypocrisy. They have been taught for so much time that “sexual objectification is always evil”, it is unthinkable for them to do the same, they cannot be “so evil”, there must be some other way, some other explanation.

        And that’s how ideology works.

      • Alistair

        Well porn stars are on they own terms as in it their own choice.

        A third wave wouldn’t think that of course as U.K. Papers has abolished page three girls if there is a silver lining and second wave isn’t as bad as the third wave lot. I may not be bad. First wave I could stomach as it was all about the pay gap between male and female.

    • Alistair

      That as bad as third wave it like saying page 3 girls are all right but not for the male gaze or she dress sexy but it my choice but you males can’t see them In games.

      I may be wrong as I never seen her videos it remind my of a joke “I can’t leave the house with out poking my eyes out just looking at a woman across the street could get you done.”

      And that fuel paranoid fear by the regression, you watch porn you a bad person, you play certain kind of game, bad person. Watch a wrong movie you are a bad person.

      And being just a male you are a bad person in their eyes.

  • BubbaHoTep

    While Liana is one of the good ones and isn’t likely to go down the Sarkesian route, I feel people are just tired of the gender politics at this point, good intentions or not. I hope her the best, but I’m staying away from this for the time being.

    I’m tired of identity politics invading every form of escapism I enjoy, it’s just an exhausting endless barrage. I’m tired of it compromising developers artistic visions in favour of playing it safe, neutering characters to make them inoffensive, and borderline propaganda being inserted into works to tell me I’m a bad person because some fool was indoctrinated in college.

    I’ve always liked Japanese games, but this nonsense has caused me to appreciate them even more; they may be a bit samey at times and reuse a fair number of tropes, but at least they are genuine and want to actually create something enjoyable.

    • I’m tired of it compromising developers artistic visions in favour of playing it safe, neutering characters to make them inoffensive, and borderline propaganda being inserted into works to tell me I’m a bad person because some fool was indoctrinated in college.

      This so much. A lot of newer games take me completely out of the immersion because they want to focus so much on hitting those topical beats from their learned sociopolitical ideology. It’s turned noxious.

  • Bamf

    All I know that sexuality is an intrinsic part of who we are, male or female and I think it’s great to have sexy guys and girls in games. Nothing to be ashamed of.

    • Sexy male characters have never been a problem for these people. Because you know, anything that appeals to females, gay males and the LGBTQ+ brigade is praised and glorified.

      It’s sexy female characters they have a massive problem with. Anything that appeals to straight male gamers is bashed and frowned upon.

      The blatant double standards really are quite astonishing. But that’s Social Justice and feminism for you.

  • Narmy

    Yeah, fuck off with this. If you care about women’s issues then focus on real problems instead.

  • So more of this tiresome SJW feminist bullcrap?

    So now that Anita Sarkeesian has “walked away” from video games, Liana Kerzner wants to take over the mantle and gather Anita’s minions all to herself.

    Anything that separates the genders and advocates for special treatment of female characters/women goes against the idea of egalitarianism. And it leads to censorship and restricts freedom of expression and creativity when designing female characters. I’m sure the mainstream games media like Kotaku and Polygon will be praising the hell out of her, and attacking anyone who criticizes her as MySoggyKnees.

    At the end of the day, it’s the same goals. The difference being that she’s just a polite version of Sarkeesian without the “straight male gamers are problematic” angle.

    Regardless of whether it is “good intentions” or not, I’m willing to bet that the end goal of it is for indirect censorship and more Mary Sues. Like as if there isn’t enough of those already?

    Where is the discussion to talk about how male characters in video games are constantly being killed, shot in the head, decapitated, tortured, raped, electrocuted, havng their limbs broken, necks broken, strangled, and depicted as unrealistic handsome, muscled warriors? It’s “good intentions” and I don’t want any censorship, honest. (sarcasm)

  • Disqusted

    Would be amusing to see how few people donate to a conversation about males in gaming. People always making a big deal about women’s issues but nobody gives a flying f**k about men’s issues.

    Such a donation campaign would probably get ridiculed by mainstream, accused of misogyny/racism, doxxed and then shut down by hosting services because it offended a 500 pound SJW living off their parents’ fortune.

    • Narmy

      And it would deserve to be ridiculed since it’s such a dumb idea. The difference is that if you ridicule someone about women in gaming you become a “misogynist”.

  • Alistair

    Im getting rather Tierd repeating myself what the wrongs about identity politics and Any regression SJWs fueled bullshit.

    What is wrong with identity politics, Imagine Batman is turn into a female, Oh wait that wont work because there is already batgirl.

    So therefore “Identity politics” doesn’t fucking work I know this, Marvel knows this.

    Push the Agenda too hard & sells will drop like a rock.

    • Batwoman and Batgirl.

      • EroBotan

        if it’s lesbian porn then it might work

      • Alistair

        No no you cant have two of the same gender so identity politics would Fail.

        If you cut out batgirl then i suppose it could work.

    • tajlund

      SJW’s won’t care even if they create Bat-Trans.

  • Gaijin-

    I have this Saudi female friend who, despite being in her mid-thirties, needs a written document signed by her father allowing her to leave the country every time she has to go on a business trip. When she drives, she needs to be accompanied by a man or she may be fined and / or arrested.

    I am going to ask my friend how high on her list of concerns about women’s rights the depiction of females in videogames ranks. Then I will proceed to inform her about the good work this Kerzner lady and other similar individuals do. I am confident she will feel much better knowing that somewhere out there people have their priorities straight.

    • For all the talk third-wavers do about women’s rights and oppression, it amazes me that none of them have even bothered to suggest a game about a woman actually living in an oppressed state like Saudi Arabia or Iran or Egypt. A stealth, time-management game where you’ve got to attempt to escape the country while playing by the rules of the region would be pretty thrilling…. almost like Papers, Please but for the middle-east.

      • Disqusted

        If they had the ability to make a decent game, they wouldn’t be bitching about non-issues all the time. Real issues require real dedication and hard work, which they don’t seem capable of.

      • EroBotan

        I’m guessing that if they do that, they’ll feel like they’ve lost lol

      • Phasmatis75

        You want to know what’s funny? Arab women do not consider themselves oppressed except for the feminists who will openly admit they want all the perks of their society without having to pay any price for it.

        It may seem like a shitty trade off, but that’s because most of the nice bits are entirely left out. Like not having to pay taxes, not being responsible for your children, having security at all times, not being responsible for your actions (your husband or father is), being provided for your entire life.

        Say what you want, but if an alien society offered me the same thing and said: owe yeah you’ll have to wear a scarf and have her permission to go someone I’d sign up.

        • Like not having to pay taxes, not being responsible for your children, having security at all times, not being responsible for your actions (your husband or father is), being provided for your entire life.

          Yeah, but then there’s the other side of the trade-off… you could be accused of lusting after another guy and get stoned to death, gang-raped, or acid thrown in your face.

          You could be accused of having brought shame to the family, and get stoned to death, “honor killed”, raped, or acid thrown in your face.

          You might might reject some higher-ups advances and find yourself in one of the two positions above.

          You might find some lowly guy attractive but he’s of a different sect and you might end up in one of the scenarios above.

          You might mistakenly enter a room with another man alone and get publicly chastised.

          Etc., etc., etc.

          Sure there are the perks of being taken care of when you obey your masters to the ‘T’, but there’s also that fine line of stepping out of line and getting your entire future life wrecked in some way.

          Western feminists are crap, no doubt about it, but over in the mid-east they have some of the most bullcrap laws imaginable. I mean, some chick’s brother beheaded her because she was talking about stuff on Facebook without her scarf on and they thought it was dishonorable, so he carried out an honor killing. That’s bullsh*t.

          • Phasmatis75

            The problem with a lot of those arguments it that they rarely happen, but get exaggerated by the media. Women make up 49.65% of people in the Middle East[1]. There are 218 million people in the Middle East as of 2013 [2], meaning there are 109 million women in the Middle East. At worse we hear about a couple stonings a year, but looking for actual statistics (which are difficult to come by as the media tries to create a moral panic) we find out in Iran in not even 100 people have been stoned to death over the last 3 decades. [3] Acid throwing incidents range from the hundreds to couple thousand over the last couple decades. [4] As for honor killings there are worldwide around 5000 per year. [5] Keep in mind this as well, not every honor killing is a female, a good chunk of them are male, same with acid and stoning. Yet there are 109 million women in the middle east and the total amount of victims of all the things you mention above probably doesn’t won’t even breach 10-20k a year. The percentage is astronomically small for the chances of anyone being a victim of those incidence.

            Even when you are the victim often times the perpetrator doesn’t go free. You can’t just say “Honor killing” or “She was a whore” you will still go to court and you can still be found guilty of murder or attempted murder and be sentence to death. This is essentially campus rape culture but for the middle east.

            As for masters that is also a misconception. You are not a slave to your spouse, your spouse or father has a say in some of the things you can and cannot do. For the same reason this existed in the Middle Ages, to protect their legal liability. You cannot make someone legally liable for another person and give them zero say in how they conduct themselves.

            Contrary to popular myth, women are free to work in the middle east (the men have to pay taxes on her earnings though and she doesn’t have to turn over a cent to her husband or father). Again given all the risk if an alien civilization offered me the same arrangement I’d take it. Freedom is largely an illusion anyway, nor do the majority actually want to be free.

            Having your life ruined isn’t uniquely middle eastern, it happens all around the world to either gender. Thing is we only care about what happens to the women, while men experience greater hardship it greater proportions, and that’s just statistic fact. Just look at this argument here. “The women have it so bad, not the men who are held liable for their actions, not men who are living in poverty or in prison because they can’t pay the taxes, not the men who are beheaded en mass.” To me this kind of sentiment is disgusting, but I am not attempting to mischaracterize your position but to point out the hypocrisy of the whole argument altogether.

            Make no mistake, I have no love for Islam. I firmly believe it is a blight onto humanity, but I will not substitute fantasy for reality. The world is a messed up place and people get screwed over in it all the time, regardless of gender. If we are to argue that women need help because of this small minority then we must first aid the men whom suffer under a larger burden, if we truly value the genders equally, and if we do not then there is no morality and we have no business in this matter.

            Indeed someone dying for the reasons you describe are bullshit, but it’s again like arguing campus rape, a handful of highly emotional incidents an epidemic does not make and I say that having fully expected the numbers to have been vastly higher than they were.

            [1] http://www.tradingeconomics.com/middle-east-and-north-africa/population-female-percent-of-total-wb-data.html
            [2]https://www.google.com/search?q=number+of+people+in+the+middle+east&oq=number+of+people+in+the+middle+east&aqs=chrome..69i57.3409j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
            [3] http://stopstonningnow.com/wpress/SList%20_1980-2010__FHdoc.pdf
            [4]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing
            [5] http://hbv-awareness.com/

          • This is essentially campus rape culture but for the middle east.

            This is waaaaay different than the campus rape scares. We still can’t get solid statistics on actual campus rapes because they’ve muddied the data.

            But even 5,000 honor killings a year is way too many just because it’s a bullsh*t thing to do. And yeah, they still go to court but you can get “Honor Killed” over a stupid-arse reason. Like, really… posting on Facebook? The thing is, you can justifiably kill someone for doing something they don’t like. We also only hear about the ones we hear about. In other words, how many honor killings take place that’s resolved outside the spectrum of the media?

            I’m certainly not saying “oh teh poor wemynz” while ignoring the men, I’m saying that whole culture is bullsh*t, and that as a woman over there you get even less freedoms than a man. One of those stories was about a woman who looked at a guy and her father thought she brought shame on the family and had acid thrown in her face.

            It’s not the amount of times it happens but the fact that it’s a part of that culture as chastisement that makes it bullsh*t.

            At worse we hear about a couple stonings a year, but looking for actual statistics (which are difficult to come by as the media tries to create a moral panic) we find out in Iran in not even 100 people have been stoned to death over the last 3 decades.

            And therein lies the problem. We can’t trust state controlled media and I doubt they want those stats broadcast to the world. I don’t trust SJW media anymore than I trust state controlled media.

            Yet there are 109 million women in the middle east and the total amount of victims of all the things you mention above probably doesn’t won’t even breach 10-20k a year.

            That we hear of, sure. But as I said, it’s the fact that it’s a way of life over there that makes it BS.

            Again given all the risk if an alien civilization offered me the same arrangement I’d take it. Freedom is largely an illusion anyway, nor do the majority actually want to be free.

            Yeah but what about the genital mutilation in places like Egypt? Only recently have they actually started cracking down on that nonsense. The whole culture is just filled with too much nonsense for my tastes.

          • Phasmatis75

            >This is waaaaay different than the campus rape scares. We still can’t get solid statistics on actual campus rapes because they’ve muddied the data.

            No it’s exactly like the Campus Rape Scare. There is a popular conception of poor victimized women, where the statistics say otherwise.

            5000 out of 218 million people. Statistically it is so astronomically unlikely you will be honor killed you are more likely to be hit by lightning. I hate to be the one to break this to you about our species, but people do what they want for whatever reason they want to. Murder happens, sometimes for good reason, sometimes for bad reasons, but it happens all the same.

            You can’t argue that there are secret honor killings and that’s why the figure is so low. That’s the same argument for college rape crisis. Hence why I said it’s the same exact thing.

            >I’m saying that whole culture is bullsh*t, and that as a woman over there you get even less freedoms than a man

            Incorrect, the women over there have more freedom then the men whom are more heavily regulated by the law. You are indeed arguing “Muh poor womyn.”

            >And therein lies the problem. We can’t trust state controlled media and I doubt they want those stats broadcast to the world. I don’t trust SJW media anymore than I trust state controlled media.

            I don’t like what the sources say is not an argument.

            >That we hear of, sure. But as I said, it’s the fact that it’s a way of life over there that makes it BS.

            Actually no, that we hear of is only a few dozen. The media in the west ignores the more sensible ones (and incidences of women throwing acid in mens faces), and focuses on the few that push the agenda outside the media statistics track the number that happen with a margin of error that I accounted for with my 10k-20k figure. Real numbers don’t bypass 10k.

            >Yeah but what about the genital mutilation in places like Egypt?

            You mean like how I was forcefully circumcised as are most men in America? Do you also think men aren’t? Where do you think the practice of circumcision began?

            >Only recently have they actually started cracking down on that nonsense.

            Not when it’s done to men they haven’t.

            >The whole culture is just filled with too much nonsense for my tastes.

            You think our culture isn’t fucked up? The only difference is not level it’s how open they are about it. In Islam you know what the rules are, in the west they’re so double standard that it has resulted in record low levels of sex because men are terrified of false rape accusations.

            Now I despise Islam because it’s a threat. It’s a threat to my way of life, it’s a threat to my philosophy on life, and it’s a threat to my life, so simply put it has to go. I don’t need to convince myself with fantastical exaggeration filled agendas, nor do I need to White Knight. My reason’s stem from understand that culturally we do not mesh so inevitably one of us will dry to destroy the other.

          • 5000 out of 218 million people. Statistically it is so astronomically unlikely you will be honor killed you are more likely to be hit by lightning.

            Yes, but like I mentioned… only if we hear about it. Like this case here wouldn’t be in the statistic.

            http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/girl-recovering-random-acid-attack

            Why? Because she couldn’t report it because she was bed-ridden due to the acid burns. So how many cases like that happen where someone is mutilated, raped or killed but because no one reported it to the police it didn’t count? It’s not just that it happens, but how casually it happens. It’s almost like it’s no big deal to douse someone with acid for… reasons.

            Incorrect, the women over there have more freedom then the men whom are more heavily regulated by the law. You are indeed arguing “Muh poor womyn.”

            What? That doesn’t make sense. In places like Saudi Arabia women aren’t allowed to drive but men are. I don’t see how that gives women more freedom when they don’t even have that freedom.

            I don’t like what the sources say is not an argument.

            It is. The UVA rape case was a bullsh*t source, along with the Duke lacrosse case. Vice and other leftist media outlets also buried the actual reports of how many women were actually raped in that rape ritual in Cologne, Germany.

            It’s no different than Erdogan’s state controlled media. Anything coming out of there is likely bullsh*t as well.

            Actually no, that we hear of is only a few dozen. The media in the west ignores the more sensible ones (and incidences of women throwing acid in mens faces)

            Are there sources for this? I haven’t encountered any cases of Saudi/Egyptian/Iranian women throwing acid on the genitals of dudes, but if it is happening in equal measure then I’ll concede that point.

            You mean like how I was forcefully circumcised as are most men in America? Do you also think men aren’t?

            Uh no, I mean like removing the actual sexual gland that provides pleasure so that women can’t be sexually stimulated from their clitoris. There’s a big difference between removing some foreskin and removing an actual point of sexual stimulation.

            In one case it’s so guys’ schlongs don’t look like wrapped sausage and the other is removing an actual sensory organ. That’s not to mention most people prefer dudes who are circumcised because let’s face it, it looks WAAAAAY better:
            http://www.yourtango.com/2014210856/sex-dating-what-women-really-think-uncircumcised-penises

          • Phasmatis75

            Yes, but like I mentioned… only if we hear about it. Like this case here wouldn’t be in the statistic.

            You’re going to have to provide some statistics instead of arguing that some hypothetical imaginary figure exists that we simply cannot ascertain. Even if you triple my estimate (which factored in for your claim of unreported incidents) all the way up to 90,000 or even 100,000 it still wouldn’t be even be .1 percent, and the range varies on how much men are affected by these crimes as well, so even tripled the number is insignificant compared to the population.

            Yeah it sucks if you are a victim of it, just like it sucks if you are the victim of rape or assault in the west.

            What? That doesn’t make sense. In places like Saudi Arabia women aren’t allowed to drive but men are. I don’t see how that gives women more freedom when they don’t even have that freedom. .

            It doesn’t make sense because you look at freedom from the wrong angle. Not being able to drive doesn’t negate the some total of regulations and punishments meted out to each gender. Sure women can’t drive, but they don’t have to pay taxes, are ensured a husband or provider, are heavily protected, are not rounded up for mass death, are not legally responsible for their children, don’t have to worry about food, water, clothing, shelter, amenities, but guess what? If you are a man in the middle east you have to worry about all of that because no one will provide for you.

            Simply not being able to drive, and needing your husband who is legally liable for you, permission to do things is not that horrible. Do you understand what it means if someone else is legally liable for you? You screw up, and unless it’s a violation of the limited scope of the laws regulating your behavior that person bears the punishment.

            If you are less restricted and burdened you are freer. Freedom is not about accruing privileges from the government, but let’s say it is, women then still outrank men in priveges, but all everyone focuses on is they can’t drive, while the men are placed under harsher burdens and not a peep is made against it.

            It is..

            Under no logical paradigm is it an argument. It’s an emotional statement akin to arguing for the flat earth and ignoring evidence for the Spherical model.

            It is. The UVA rape case was a bullsh*t source, along with the Duke lacrosse case. Vice and other leftist media outlets also buried the actual reports of how many women were actually raped in that rape ritual in Cologne, Germany. .

            Now that’s an argument, and is still a logical fallacy. Just because their state is corrupt doesn’t mean their output is corrupt nor does it invalidate the sources unless you can assertain whether the sources were hindered in their information gathering by said state medias or gathered them from official government responses. Also simply because A is true, and B is true, doesn’t mean C is thus true. Just because the media is corrupt in the west, and is state controlled corrupt in the middle east doesn’t equate to the figures presented by the sources being incorrect.

            Though I’ll devil’s advocate your position, even though a lot of the sources do not derive their information from state sources but their own independent research and present this counter question: What are your presumed statistics then? A follow up question: How many male victims does the media report on over there? I can get you figures for these crimes against women, no readily available statist exists for the men or it is quietly downplayed, so I ask why focus on the female victims when by statistical proof they are less than the male ones?

            Are there sources for this? I haven’t encountered any cases of Saudi/Egyptian/Iranian women throwing acid on the genitals of dudes, but if it is happening in equal measure then I’ll concede that point. .

            Exactly my point about the media’s silence regarding male victims. Yes there are sources and all I had to do to find them was type into google: male victims of acid attacks. I am baffeled as to how your search turned up nothing, but here are two links

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7d63ca77b91ab501563e2f23c6270f7c18446cb7c7d4679fb56e398fe05ead5c.jpg http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/acid-attack-male-victims-meet-the-men-who-fell-prey-to-acid-attack-delhi/1/878417.html
            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2142246/Pakistan-Mystery-sudden-surge-acid-attacks-MEN-WOMEN.html

            But this I presumed will be downplayed because it happens to women more or the men deserve it for penis. Well not by you, but you know the people whom will make that argument.

            Uh no, I mean like removing the actual sexual gland that provides pleasure so that women can’t be sexually stimulated from their clitoris. There’s a big difference between removing some foreskin and removing an actual point of sexual stimulation..

            Ah so male mutilation is okay even though its more prevalent because it doesn’t impact men as much as it does women. Even though the part of the penis circumcised is the most sensitive, and even though women can still experience sexual stimulation just like men can after they’ve been mutilated.

            In one case it’s so guys’ schlongs don’t look like wrapped sausage and the other is removing an actual sensory organ. That’s not to mention most people prefer dudes who are circumcised because let’s face it, it looks WAAAAAY better:.

            “Women like a man who’s mutilated… did you even think about that before typing it? You just said mutilation is wrong only when it happens to women and men should be happy they were mutilated because it makes women happier. That’s not only not an argument, but a disturbingly sick attitude. Either mutilation is wrong period or shut up about it happening to women. Can’t put it more simply than that.

            This convo reminded me of this pic.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b4893625201c1926621e7e1ca9bb2ba8ed5e1380ec34f9fc6aa5e9b311e12d83.jpg

          • “Women like a man who’s mutilated… did you even think about that before typing it? You just said mutilation is wrong only when it happens to women and men should be happy they were mutilated because it makes women happier.

            Gay men prefer circumcised men. So men and women prefer circumcised men.

            http://www.gaypopbuzz.com/circumcised-men-sexual-pleasure/

            Or do gays not count?

            Even though the part of the penis circumcised is the most sensitive, and even though women can still experience sexual stimulation just like men can after they’ve been mutilated.

            No they can’t experience it the same as men, not when the clit gland is removed.

            Also simply because A is true, and B is true, doesn’t mean C is thus true. Just because the media is corrupt in the west, and is state controlled corrupt in the middle east doesn’t equate to the figures presented by the sources being incorrect.

            Of course it doesn’t mean they’re incorrect, it just means I don’t trust it based on the fact that state media has proven to lie more times than tell the truth for the benefit of the party in power, as proven with every dictator, plutocracy or monarchy in charge.

            It’s like trusting a state party funded survey about North Koreans being exceptionally happy. Would you trust it?

            What are your presumed statistics then?

            None. I’m distrustful of the sources, not presumptive about the facts.

            why focus on the female victims when by statistical proof they are less than the male ones?

            Because there doesn’t appear to be a lot of reports about attacks on men in equal frequency to women. If additional reports and verifiable stats pop up showing that, then sure. I’ll change my stance based on the numbers.

            Verifiable numbers don’t lie. People do.

            Yeah it sucks if you are a victim of it, just like it sucks if you are the victim of rape or assault in the west.

            Ehh, rapes rarely leave their victims permanently disfigured for life.

            they don’t have to pay taxes,

            That doesn’t replace the freedom to go where you want when you want.

            are not legally responsible for their children, don’t have to worry about food, water, clothing, shelter, amenities,

            Yeah, and neither does Donald Trump’s wife, but she can still drive. That’s a non-sequitur.

            If you are a man in the middle east you have to worry about all of that because no one will provide for you.

            So it’s just like a woman living here in the States except… she can drive.

            If you are less restricted and burdened you are freer.

            Uh, no. There are plenty of kids who don’t have to pay taxes, bills or manage home economics but still can’t go where they want when they want, or do what they want whenever.

            Restricting freedoms =/= lack of responsibilities.

            I am baffeled as to how your search turned up nothing, but here are two links

            The first link from IndiaToday is a good source. Your DailyMail link actually works against your argument. They talk briefly about the men but then go on to say the attacks happen disproportionately to women, and then go on about how one woman committed suicide after a decade of suffering. They then go on to say that in those cases the men weren’t prosecuted or got out of jail after a few months.

            That actually makes things sound even worse than before. That link really worked against your argument. Do you have something more substantial to show that the attacks are as frequent against men and in equal magnitude as they are to women?

          • Phasmatis75

            Or do gays not count?

            Some men like the look of no Clitoris, or do they not count? Since you’ve established you don’t believe a person should have a say over their own body I’ll assume you are now fine with female genitalia. Glad we resolved this issue that the person with the say in the matter is not the owner of the body, but whomever has a preference for how the body should look.

            No they can’t experience it the same as men, not when the clit gland is removed.

            Mutilation is mutilation or you should have no problem with female mutilation. It matters very little how it impacts the person being mutilated. Men lose the most sensitive part of their penis and have some negative impacts as a result, and women lose their clitoris but still can feel internally since nerve cells are still a thing and the body continues to function without it’s missing part. If it is fine for men to be mutilated it is fine for women to be mutilate, so this appears to no longer be an issue.

            It’s like trusting a state party funded survey about North Koreans being exceptionally happy. Would you trust it?

            What I true and what I have to work with in a formal discussion are two different things. Even if I don’t trust it I can find alternative viewpoints and estimates and present them during the discussion as well to show that there are apposing statistics to the state sponsored ones while demonstrate that the state might have a reason to be dishonest in their calculations.

            For example this is what you had to do during the Obama administration and unemployment statistics. Since Obama’s admin stop counting those no longer receiving benefits as unemployed he was able to claim he shrunk unemployment during a span of time where the job market participation shrank by 18%.

            Because there doesn’t appear to be a lot of reports about attacks on men in equal frequency to women. If additional reports and verifiable stats pop up showing that, then sure. I’ll change my stance based on the numbers.

            Perhaps that has to do with the fact society doesn’t really care about the male population and largely considers them expendable. Like you do with you argument that it’s okay to mutilate them for female enjoyment.

            Ehh, rapes rarely leave their victims permanently disfigured for life.

            Go tell that to a real rape victim and do you honestly think people are not mamed in the west?

            That doesn’t replace the freedom to go where you want when you want.

            Yeah sure would suck if there were things like state boundries, passports, private roads, restrictions on who can own an automobile, private property… case being everyone on this planet has restrictions on where and how they can travel. Sometimes it’s artificial barriers, sometimes metaphorical or political, sometimes it’s just capital limitations.

            Further there are only 18 nations in the world with that restriction, not all of which are in the Middle East.

            https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2015/11/18-countries-where-women-need-their-husbands-permission-to-get-a-job/

            Let’s discuss the ones that do have this restriction, do you really think it’s that bad to have to sit at home all day while your spouse works? While they have the run the risk of being killed by religious nutjobs, snipers, suicide bombers, car bombs? Meanwhile when you go out you have an escort, yeah the limitations suck, but it’s a matter of trade off. Outside the expat and regional feminists the majority of them think women in America have it worse. Cultural perspective is an important thing when making judgment calls.

            Yeah, and neither does Donald Trump’s wife, but she can still drive. That’s a non-sequitur.

            Not an argument and not a point when discussing the benefits afforded to a group. That’s more a point in my favor since you’re basically saying women in the middle east enjoy the same relative standard as a Billionaires wife (within relative price range).

            So it’s just like a woman living here in the States except… she can drive.

            LOL, women in the states have so many safety nets it’s not funny. If you are female and homeless there are shelters for you (not our veterans though), if you are a female abuse victim there are shelters for you and your children, but not the men and their children even though men are the predominate victims of domestic violence. Many industries give preferential hiring to women, there are more grants and scholarships available for women to pursue higher education. Women recieve lighter sentences if they are convicted at all for the same crime than a male does. A woman in the west can have someone take care of her from the time she is born to the time she dies (father, husband/family, government (SSI)) an man does not.

            Yet for some reason people seem to think it is more important to take care of women then men. I say some reason, but the truth is this originates from an 800 year old ideology started by two french nobelwomen and is finally in its death cycle (though some scholars claim it died 200 years ago it obvious did not).

            Uh, no. There are plenty of kids who don’t have to pay taxes, bills or manage home economics but still can’t go where they want when they want, or do what they want whenever.

            And it is often argued legally and scientifically that many women have the maturity of children and thus are not responsible for their actions. You see the problem here? If you don’t hold something accountable like children then they have restrictions on them and on what they can do. If a person is responsible for themselves they do not have restrictions on them.

            Now we can look at what your advocating (the lack of responsibilities and the lack of restrictions) as it has been done in the west and what we see is a civilization preparing for a generational die off, record lows in marriage (6.9 out of 1000), and a generation that refuses to have sex because the men fear false rape accusations.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyzfMpkZ0pU

            I could go on and on listing the numerous issues, but Sargon and various channels out there cover it fantastically and it is to vast a subject to sum up here nor shall I try to beyond the obvious three severe cultural issues we have that I’ve listed above.

            Your DailyMail link actually works against your argument. They talk briefly about the men but then go on to say the attacks happen disproportionately to women, and then go on about how one woman committed suicide after a decade of suffering.

            Never said men were the predominate victims, just that they made up a sizable portion. Male suicide is still multiple times higher than female suicide rates so don’t even try to pull that emotional sob card out.

            attacks are as frequent against men and in equal magnitude as they are to women?

            No because I never claimed such a thing, just that men made up a decent amount. I believe it’s around 30%, but I might be conflating statistics.

          • Some men like the look of no Clitoris, or do they not count?

            Are there any stats for that? I never bothered checking since most people don’t seem to care (then again, most people can’t seem to find the clit anyway).

            Since you’ve established you don’t believe a person should have a say over their own body I’ll assume you are now fine with female genitalia.

            Nah, because a clit serves a purpose, foreskin really doesn’t.

            Mutilation is mutilation or you should have no problem with female mutilation. It matters very little how it impacts the person being mutilated. Men lose the most sensitive part of their penis and have some negative impacts as a result, and women lose their clitoris but still can feel internally since nerve cells are still a thing and the body continues to function without it’s missing part.

            Nah, the clit is how women orgasm. Men don’t orgasm from the foreskin

            https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/200903/the-most-important-sexual-statistic

            Since Obama’s admin stop counting those no longer receiving benefits as unemployed he was able to claim he shrunk unemployment during a span of time where the job market participation shrank by 18%.

            Exactly. This is precisely why I’m always leery of stats coming from the state.

            Go tell that to a real rape victim and do you honestly think people are not mamed in the west?

            Sure it sometimes happens, but majority of rape victims are from people the victim knows in the west. It rarely involves disfigurement.

            https://www.rainn.org/statistics/perpetrators-sexual-violence

            Let’s discuss the ones that do have this restriction, do you really think it’s that bad to have to sit at home all day while your spouse works?

            Having that freedom taken away is absolutely bad. However, to concede your point, apparently a lot of women over there are okay with not being able to drive. So if they don’t mind… then oh well.

            http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21602249-saudi-women-are-gaining-ground-slowly-unshackling-themselves

            Yet for some reason people seem to think it is more important to take care of women then men.

            Here’s an unpopular opinion that explains why:
            Because women need to be taken care of more than men. There, I said it.

            Men are physically stronger, so they require less physical care. Men are mentally more resilient, so they require less comfort. Men are emotionally less fragile, so they don’t need as much support.

            This isn’t to say that men are invincible, not by a long shot. It’s to say that men are simply stronger all around, and don’t need as much help. Of course, they’re also harder on themselves and oftentimes commit suicide for a lack of perceived success or for a sustained amount of perceived failure. But that’s because men are just generally more driven than women.

          • If we are to argue that women need help because of this small minority then we must first aid the men whom suffer under a larger burden, if we truly value the genders equally, and if we do not then there is no morality and we have no business in this matter.

            This.

            I’m finding that everyone, even anti-SJWs and anti-feminists, are so quick to peddle the “oh-those-poor-oppressed-caged-women-slaves” in Saudi Arabia/Middle East, completely ignoring that the men actually get very harshly punished for their side of their sins as well.

            I remember recently watching a video which had Karen Straughan on it, and she, along with several other people (I think it was the Honey Badgers, i.e. Alison Tierman and co.), were actually going through the responsibilities and penalties (such as public stoning, caning and honor killings) that men have to face as well in the Middle East for their definition of “sins” according to their laws.

            But once again, the white-knighting and gynocentrism in the media has made it out as if it’s ONLY the women getting punished over there.

      • Gaijin-

        Man, that could not be more on point.

    • Phasmatis75

      You know you focus on the wrong things. Do you know that her father is legally responsible for everything she does and will suffer legal consequences if she doesn’t anything wrong? How would you like to be responsible for someone like that until they are married off and the legal responsibility is passed on? Also keep in mind, her father has to pay taxes on her income, she is not legally responsible to do so, but he is.

      • Gaijin-

        Yeah, she must be so happy to be relieved of all those responsibilities. As happy as a pet.

        • Phasmatis75

          Islamic women are pretty happy with their standard. Probably because they aren’t indoctrinated in an 800 year old ideology. Got to love how you white knights always focus on the women in the middle east though when you are ignorant of their standard and their opinion.

          • Gaijin-

            You know, the thing about absolute statements is that, in order to prove them right, you need to do so for each and every individual instance.

            To prove them wrong, however, you just need to find one instance in which they don’t hold true.

            A minimum of reading comprehension ability should suffice for you to refer to my initial post and see how accurate your claim about Islamic women is.

            Note also that “Saudi” is a nationality, thus the situation my friend lives derives from laws and regulations, not religious precept.

          • daniel_ream

            It’s Saudi. Same thing.

            Also, Phasmatis75, my girlfriend is a Saudi ex-pat and you could not be more full of shit about how bad women have it in the Middle East. The vast majority of honor killings never hit the (local) courts or the media because they’re treated the same as jaywalking.

          • The vast majority of honor killings never hit the (local) courts or the media because they’re treated the same as jaywalking.

            Sounds like the same applies to the acid attacks as well… some trauma center rep was saying that a lot of the women don’t file reports because nothing gets done to the perpetrators.

          • Phasmatis75

            Anecdotal arguments aren’t arguments.

          • daniel_ream

            I’m going to take the word of a woman who lived there for several years over some Internet Sperglord apologist who thinks five minutes of Google makes him an expert.

          • Phasmatis75

            1) Damn right I’m not going to listen and believe.
            2) I’m an advocate for wiping out Islam, but nice attempt at a dismissal.

          • daniel_ream

            You seem to think that textwalls and wikilinks somehow oblige me to take you seriously.

            They don’t.

          • Phasmatis75

            You seem to think I care about what you think. To be quite frank I believe your kind of people should enjoy the same fate as communists.

          • Phasmatis75

            1) Damn right I’m not going to listen and believe.
            2) I’m an advocate for wiping out Islam, but nice attempt at a dismissal.

          • Phasmatis75

            1) Damn right I’m not going to listen and believe.
            2) I’m an advocate for wiping out Islam, but nice attempt at a dismissal.

          • Phasmatis75

            1) Damn right I’m not going to listen and believe.
            2) I’m an advocate for wiping out Islam, but nice attempt at a dismissal.

          • tajlund

            I served in the ME and you are dead on. I’m reading so much bullcrap above here that I’m almost sick. I worked in AF security side by side with Saudi security forces and police both military and civilian. Many of the things that happened to women while I was there were shrugged off as just a matter of fact.

          • daniel_ream

            But he has Google. And Wikipedia. That makes him more righter.

            I know I’m old, but do millennials just not remember Stephen Colbert vandalizing Wikipedia on air?

  • Lyle

    I’m interested to see where she goes with this. Liana has a very different (non-prudish) take on sexuality in video games and its effects on the audience. Some of her other stuff has been really good.

  • Vrenna

    People are already sick of this shit, it being a good idea or not.

    • Fear Me I Am Free

      Yes, but I could see Liana doing a MUCH better job then that hack Anita ever could.

      • Version_8

        True, but I feel we need some breathing room. Now that Anita and her minions have finally walked away from gaming, I just want to get back to enjoying games without having to think about social issues.

        • You won’t get any breathing room because the mainstream games media and SJWs are still peddling and pushing the propaganda.

          Her minions on social media are still very loud, and they will probably jump on the Liana Kerzner bandwagon now.

          Just because Anita Sarkeesian has “walked away” does not mean that her work has suddenly disappeared and become irrelevant. Nor does it mean that her minions will not whine any more.

          • YumLemmingKababs

            Actually I think people who could somewhat accurately be called “Anita Sarkeesian’s Minions” mostly hate Liana for being “the wrong kind of feminist.”

          • YumLemmingKababs

            Actually I think people who could somewhat accurately be called “Anita Sarkeesian’s Minions” mostly hate Liana for being “the wrong kind of feminist.”

          • YumLemmingKababs

            Actually I think people who could somewhat accurately be called “Anita Sarkeesian’s Minions” mostly hate Liana for being “the wrong kind of feminist.”

      • Lyle

        Difference between Liana and Anita is that Liana engages with her audience and is receptive to feedback (mostly – like anyone on the internet there has been occasional drama) and never presents herself as a moral authority or arbiter of truth in these things.

        • It doesn’t matter even if she engages with her audience and is receptive to feedback.

          It’s the same bullshit about how women are represented and depicted in games and how it “needs to change”.

          The end result is almost the same goals.

        • It doesn’t matter even if she engages with her audience and is receptive to feedback.

          It’s the same bullshit about how women are represented and depicted in games and how it “needs to change”.

          The end result is almost the same goals.

          • Jonathan Regalado

            I feel like you haven’t watched any of her videos or read her work.

          • Jonathan Regalado

            I feel like you haven’t watched any of her videos or read her work.

      • Regardless of how much “better” she does the job, I’m willing to bet that it’s the same goals at the end of the day.

        The only difference would be less of the “we hate straight male gamers and do not want anything catered to them” thing. This time it won’t be as obvious as the way Anita did it.

        From what I’ve seen, it appears that the end result of this is basically advocating for more censorship and more Mary Sues. Just in a more polite way.

        • MONAD

          Liana’s always been very SUBTLE about the “fuck white male” bullshit. She’s an oppertunistic cunt, and if people were smart, they’d stay far the fuck away from her.

        • MONAD

          Liana’s always been very SUBTLE about the “fuck white male” bullshit. She’s an oppertunistic cunt, and if people were smart, they’d stay far the fuck away from her.

      • Narmy

        I seem to remember Liana just being an opportunist, like Anita.

    • It’s not a good idea.

      Anything that separates the genders and makes a special case for women completely goes against the idea of egalitarianism.

    • Phasmatis75

      Exactly. Before all this got started people just gamed, it was a nice time where creative people made some creative experiences. Gamers of the Female persuasion had their preference, gamers of the male persuasion had their preference, and everyone just enjoyed what they found fun.

      Then game the hipsters, SJWS and Progressives, infiltrating gaming culture. Except it didn’t work like it did comics, movies, books, etc. Well not as well anyway. Gamers had a unique requirement that we all stuck to and upheld: You have to game. Thus began the fake gamer girls trend where we were all labeled as sexist and uninviting. (No group has an obligation to be inviting period)

      We’d always been slandered, so we just shrugged it off. “sexist!” “Pfft whatever.” Then they really poisoned the well, and things just got way worse with the like of Anita as they made a second push to capture the gaming culture, which ultimately triggered the existence of Gamergate as we all know.

      Before them though there was no issue. We were just good honest assholes who just enjoyed gaming and talking about how everyone sucked and had poor tastes. One of the reasons SJWs couldn’t win is that we internally fight all the time, in jest and for fun, but it’s our way. Now thought even the normies are sick of the agenda.

      A lasting gift of Horizon I suppose is that no consumers trust nothing with a female character that doesn’t first prove it’s not progressive propaganda and then is verified by sticklers. Pity because Fury will probably be awesome, not as awesome as Strife who looks straight up Deadpool in attitude, but still a good character.

      • Before them though there was no issue. We were just good honest assholes who just enjoyed gaming and talking about how everyone sucked and had poor tastes.

        It’s like looking into a mirror reading this phrase.

      • YumLemmingKababs

        It’s kinda weird reading this. Like an alternate history of gamers. I really wonder what it is that made some people have such a huge negative reaction to the very idea of women in video games. I mean, Anita Sarkeesian got massive backlash even before we found out she was a charlatan. The counter-backlash to all the people losing their fucking shit that a woman wanted to talk about video games is what got her KS funded in the first place. And I remember quite well the way people would lose their fucking shit when a woman would speak up on voice chat. I dunno… maybe I just never got the appeal of acting like an asshole. Just seems like there’re enough problems in the world without trying to add to them.

        Wonder if it’s a console gamer thing.

        • I mean, Anita Sarkeesian got massive backlash even before we found out she was a charlatan.

          Uhh, that’s how she became a charlatan. She didn’t get massive backlash, she took some negative criticism and echo-signaled it to the moon, complete with a video of her crying over some trolls saying some trollish things… you know, the stuff every YouTuber encounters when they have an opinion posted online.

          However, the media took it and ran with it and Reddit white-knighted for her, hard.

          TotalBiscuit used to (and probably still does) get a ton of criticism and trolls egging him on for his opinions, so much so he had to go get counseling for it. There was no white knight brigade for him, and no one cared. Why? Because it’s the nature of the beast.

          However, Sarkeesian played up the damsel in distress role and a lot of gullible people like yourself fell for it.

          There have always been a-holes in gaming, especially competitive gaming, just like there are a-holes in every sport or hobby. I have no idea why some people like to megaphone a-holes up to the forefront of a discussion like they’re special.

          • YumLemmingKababs

            Hm. Well I remember a lot of immediate backlash, but it was a long time ago (part of the problem with that series really… it just finished a few days ago and there’s no way those videos took this long to research and produce… heh, research…) so I may well be remembering more of the reporting than the actual events. I mean, if I didn’t experience anything big but then heard about it that’d kinda makes sense. I couldn’t afford to pledge to the KS at the time so I kinda dodged a bullet.

            I’m not sure Anita really knew what she was getting in to. She was apparently faking being a gamer after all, or at least had no idea what that meant. That said, if Liana K is faking it she’s the most insanely dedicated fraud I’ve ever heard of. She knows slightly more than a typical enthusiast gamer could reasonably be expected to. Usually when she doesn’t know something she knows she doesn’t know it and says so upfront. She took Quiet in MGS5 more seriously than the game actually did imo. I’ve been following her youtube channel for it seems like it must be at least a year ever since I found her “Why Feminist Frequency Almost Made Me Quit Writing About Video Games” articles, which she wrote when she was working for Metal Eater in 2015 and anyone who likes cosplay as much as she does at least likes video games enough to like cosplay that much.

            If you just don’t want to hear anything about women in video games well… I don’t think people are going to stop talking about it. But if anyone is going to improve the situation Liana would be my first pick.

            Also, as much as I respect TB for his analysis he isn’t exactly very open to discussion. His comments are basically as dead as Fem Freq’s.

          • as much as I respect TB for his analysis he isn’t exactly very open to discussion. His comments are basically as dead as Fem Freq’s.

            They weren’t always closed. But he’s been dealing with the depression and cancer — a lot of it in part to the whole weight of super stardom as a YouTuber.

            I may well be remembering more of the reporting than the actual events.

            That’s all there was… the reports. Anita did a video crying about the trolls and the media instantly went white knighting for her. Reddit did, too. A lot of people were baited in based on the reports because… “Why would the media lie?”

            But eventually she used that platform to lambaste gaming and turn it on its head in a bad way. She refused to promote games and franchises that already existed with positive female portrayals, and cherrypicked her way to fame claiming the gaming industry was nothing but a cesspit of misogynists.

            if anyone is going to improve the situation Liana would be my first pick.

            I’m not going to complain about anyone wanting to talk about it, but I think a large part of the active community may be exhausted after years of being labeled rapists/murderers/misogynists/ racists by the media, the pundits and even some game companies.

          • YumLemmingKababs

            I don’t think this stuff is going away. Games are an easy scapegoat precisely because gamers aren’t that socially adept as a rule, and shutting ourselves away is just going to keep that problem going. Video games are bigger than movies now so we aren’t coming out of the spotlight any time soon.

          • Video games are bigger than movies now so we aren’t coming out of the spotlight any time soon.

            If devs and journos keep attacking their own audience, it won’t be for long. AAA business is already flailing about, and 2016 they took a major hit.

            Indie devs and mid-budget studios are on the rise, though. So I suspect we’ll begin to see a shift away from AAA if this trend keeps up (and it appears this trend will keep up).

          • Video games are bigger than movies now so we aren’t coming out of the spotlight any time soon.

            If devs and journos keep attacking their own audience, it won’t be for long. AAA business is already flailing about, and 2016 they took a major hit.

            Indie devs and mid-budget studios are on the rise, though. So I suspect we’ll begin to see a shift away from AAA if this trend keeps up (and it appears this trend will keep up).

          • YumLemmingKababs

            It’s worth mentioning that Anita didn’t actually need much proof for the claims of harassment to be entirely believable. There were always misogynistic idiots hiding in the dark corners of the net waiting to jump out and internet harass some woman on the internet every once in a while. Look at Jade Raymond. I remember some weirdo made a surprisingly well drawn web comic where a character has sex with her and then uses magic anime slicey dicey wire powers to kill her and slice her into tiny pieces before ending on a closeup of her vagina with cum pouring out of it. That was pretty fucked up and I generally regretted having seen it.

            And looking up an article on the topic that was apparently a more obscure one.

          • Oh of course. I mean there are sick pervs anywhere in the world as a part of any community or fandom. When it becomes the obsession of the media is when it gets out of hand and becomes a problem of propaganda.

            Heck there are more gun crimes from licensed gun owners than there are reports of hardcore gamers sexually assaulting women, but yet somehow the media portrays the latter as some sort of epidemic.

          • YumLemmingKababs

            All of that is exactly why I’m supporting Liana K. She’s got the looks to throw off people who are prejudiced against “Gamers” and the brains and heart to do a good job talking about serious issues in a thoughtful and sensitive manner. She’s also just a lot less boring than Anita was. I watched Sarkeesians first five videos and it was hard to critique them because they were so boring. … Then again I tend to have really similar opinions to Liana on a lot of things too so there’s probably confirmation bias involved, but I mean, we already have Sarkeesian’s point of view so I don’t see why having a different one I actually mostly agree with as a gamer who isn’t particularly concerned with political correctness is a bad thing.

          • I actually mostly agree with as a gamer who isn’t particularly concerned with political correctness is a bad thing.

            I don’t think it’s a bad thing at all.

            My position is mostly that it just seems the community is really fatigued on the topic.

          • Video games are bigger than movies now so we aren’t coming out of the spotlight any time soon.

            If devs and journos keep attacking their own audience, it won’t be for long. AAA business is already flailing about, and 2016 they took a major hit.

            Indie devs and mid-budget studios are on the rise, though. So I suspect we’ll begin to see a shift away from AAA if this trend keeps up (and it appears this trend will keep up).

          • Video games are bigger than movies now so we aren’t coming out of the spotlight any time soon.

            If devs and journos keep attacking their own audience, it won’t be for long. AAA business is already flailing about, and 2016 they took a major hit.

            Indie devs and mid-budget studios are on the rise, though. So I suspect we’ll begin to see a shift away from AAA if this trend keeps up (and it appears this trend will keep up).

          • YumLemmingKababs

            I don’t think this stuff is going away. Games are an easy scapegoat precisely because gamers aren’t that socially adept as a rule, and shutting ourselves away is just going to keep that problem going. Video games are bigger than movies now so we aren’t coming out of the spotlight any time soon.

          • as much as I respect TB for his analysis he isn’t exactly very open to discussion. His comments are basically as dead as Fem Freq’s.

            They weren’t always closed. But he’s been dealing with the depression and cancer — a lot of it in part to the whole weight of super stardom as a YouTuber.

            I may well be remembering more of the reporting than the actual events.

            That’s all there was… the reports. Anita did a video crying about the trolls and the media instantly went white knighting for her. Reddit did, too. A lot of people were baited in based on the reports because… “Why would the media lie?”

            But eventually she used that platform to lambaste gaming and turn it on its head in a bad way. She refused to promote games and franchises that already existed with positive female portrayals, and cherrypicked her way to fame claiming the gaming industry was nothing but a cesspit of misogynists.

            if anyone is going to improve the situation Liana would be my first pick.

            I’m not going to complain about anyone wanting to talk about it, but I think a large part of the active community may be exhausted after years of being labeled rapists/murderers/misogynists/ racists by the media, the pundits and even some game companies.

          • as much as I respect TB for his analysis he isn’t exactly very open to discussion. His comments are basically as dead as Fem Freq’s.

            They weren’t always closed. But he’s been dealing with the depression and cancer — a lot of it in part to the whole weight of super stardom as a YouTuber.

            I may well be remembering more of the reporting than the actual events.

            That’s all there was… the reports. Anita did a video crying about the trolls and the media instantly went white knighting for her. Reddit did, too. A lot of people were baited in based on the reports because… “Why would the media lie?”

            But eventually she used that platform to lambaste gaming and turn it on its head in a bad way. She refused to promote games and franchises that already existed with positive female portrayals, and cherrypicked her way to fame claiming the gaming industry was nothing but a cesspit of misogynists.

            if anyone is going to improve the situation Liana would be my first pick.

            I’m not going to complain about anyone wanting to talk about it, but I think a large part of the active community may be exhausted after years of being labeled rapists/murderers/misogynists/ racists by the media, the pundits and even some game companies.

          • YumLemmingKababs

            Hm. Well I remember a lot of immediate backlash, but it was a long time ago (part of the problem with that series really… it just finished a few days ago and there’s no way those videos took this long to research and produce… heh, research…) so I may well be remembering more of the reporting than the actual events. I mean, if I didn’t experience anything big but then heard about it that’d kinda makes sense. I couldn’t afford to pledge to the KS at the time so I kinda dodged a bullet.

            I’m not sure Anita really knew what she was getting in to. She was apparently faking being a gamer after all, or at least had no idea what that meant. That said, if Liana K is faking it she’s the most insanely dedicated fraud I’ve ever heard of. She knows slightly more than a typical enthusiast gamer could reasonably be expected to. Usually when she doesn’t know something she knows she doesn’t know it and says so upfront. She took Quiet in MGS5 more seriously than the game actually did imo. I’ve been following her youtube channel for it seems like it must be at least a year ever since I found her “Why Feminist Frequency Almost Made Me Quit Writing About Video Games” articles, which she wrote when she was working for Metal Eater in 2015 and anyone who likes cosplay as much as she does at least likes video games enough to like cosplay that much.

            If you just don’t want to hear anything about women in video games well… I don’t think people are going to stop talking about it. But if anyone is going to improve the situation Liana would be my first pick.

            Also, as much as I respect TB for his analysis he isn’t exactly very open to discussion. His comments are basically as dead as Fem Freq’s.

          • YumLemmingKababs

            Hm. Well I remember a lot of immediate backlash, but it was a long time ago (part of the problem with that series really… it just finished a few days ago and there’s no way those videos took this long to research and produce… heh, research…) so I may well be remembering more of the reporting than the actual events. I mean, if I didn’t experience anything big but then heard about it that’d kinda makes sense. I couldn’t afford to pledge to the KS at the time so I kinda dodged a bullet.

            I’m not sure Anita really knew what she was getting in to. She was apparently faking being a gamer after all, or at least had no idea what that meant. That said, if Liana K is faking it she’s the most insanely dedicated fraud I’ve ever heard of. She knows slightly more than a typical enthusiast gamer could reasonably be expected to. Usually when she doesn’t know something she knows she doesn’t know it and says so upfront. She took Quiet in MGS5 more seriously than the game actually did imo. I’ve been following her youtube channel for it seems like it must be at least a year ever since I found her “Why Feminist Frequency Almost Made Me Quit Writing About Video Games” articles, which she wrote when she was working for Metal Eater in 2015 and anyone who likes cosplay as much as she does at least likes video games enough to like cosplay that much.

            If you just don’t want to hear anything about women in video games well… I don’t think people are going to stop talking about it. But if anyone is going to improve the situation Liana would be my first pick.

            Also, as much as I respect TB for his analysis he isn’t exactly very open to discussion. His comments are basically as dead as Fem Freq’s.

        • I mean, Anita Sarkeesian got massive backlash even before we found out she was a charlatan.

          Uhh, that’s how she became a charlatan. She didn’t get massive backlash, she took some negative criticism and echo-signaled it to the moon, complete with a video of her crying over some trolls saying some trollish things… you know, the stuff every YouTuber encounters when they have an opinion posted online.

          However, the media took it and ran with it and Reddit white-knighted for her, hard.

          TotalBiscuit used to (and probably still does) get a ton of criticism and trolls egging him on for his opinions, so much so he had to go get counseling for it. There was no white knight brigade for him, and no one cared. Why? Because it’s the nature of the beast.

          However, Sarkeesian played up the damsel in distress role and a lot of gullible people like yourself fell for it.

          There have always been a-holes in gaming, especially competitive gaming, just like there are a-holes in every sport or hobby. I have no idea why some people like to megaphone a-holes up to the forefront of a discussion like they’re special.

        • Phasmatis75

          It’s very simple, they didn’t. Go read Rules for Radicals, it’s a very important text to understand how the left thinks. It was just an excuse to push their agenda, which Anita Sarkeesian admits now that it was always all about social justice.

          She never wanted to talk about games, that’s the thing. All she did was pedal lies and deceit and her old fanbase now flat out says she was a scam artist.

        • Phasmatis75

          It’s very simple, they didn’t. Go read Rules for Radicals, it’s a very important text to understand how the left thinks. It was just an excuse to push their agenda, which Anita Sarkeesian admits now that it was always all about social justice.

          She never wanted to talk about games, that’s the thing. All she did was pedal lies and deceit and her old fanbase now flat out says she was a scam artist.

        • Phasmatis75

          It’s very simple, they didn’t. Go read Rules for Radicals, it’s a very important text to understand how the left thinks. It was just an excuse to push their agenda, which Anita Sarkeesian admits now that it was always all about social justice.

          She never wanted to talk about games, that’s the thing. All she did was pedal lies and deceit and her old fanbase now flat out says she was a scam artist.

        • Phasmatis75

          It’s very simple, they didn’t. Go read Rules for Radicals, it’s a very important text to understand how the left thinks. It was just an excuse to push their agenda, which Anita Sarkeesian admits now that it was always all about social justice.

          She never wanted to talk about games, that’s the thing. All she did was pedal lies and deceit and her old fanbase now flat out says she was a scam artist.

      • YumLemmingKababs

        It’s kinda weird reading this. Like an alternate history of gamers. I really wonder what it is that made some people have such a huge negative reaction to the very idea of women in video games. I mean, Anita Sarkeesian got massive backlash even before we found out she was a charlatan. The counter-backlash to all the people losing their fucking shit that a woman wanted to talk about video games is what got her KS funded in the first place. And I remember quite well the way people would lose their fucking shit when a woman would speak up on voice chat. I dunno… maybe I just never got the appeal of acting like an asshole. Just seems like there’re enough problems in the world without trying to add to them.

        Wonder if it’s a console gamer thing.

      • YumLemmingKababs

        It’s kinda weird reading this. Like an alternate history of gamers. I really wonder what it is that made some people have such a huge negative reaction to the very idea of women in video games. I mean, Anita Sarkeesian got massive backlash even before we found out she was a charlatan. The counter-backlash to all the people losing their fucking shit that a woman wanted to talk about video games is what got her KS funded in the first place. And I remember quite well the way people would lose their fucking shit when a woman would speak up on voice chat. I dunno… maybe I just never got the appeal of acting like an asshole. Just seems like there’re enough problems in the world without trying to add to them.

        Wonder if it’s a console gamer thing.

      • YumLemmingKababs

        It’s kinda weird reading this. Like an alternate history of gamers. I really wonder what it is that made some people have such a huge negative reaction to the very idea of women in video games. I mean, Anita Sarkeesian got massive backlash even before we found out she was a charlatan. The counter-backlash to all the people losing their fucking shit that a woman wanted to talk about video games is what got her KS funded in the first place. And I remember quite well the way people would lose their fucking shit when a woman would speak up on voice chat. I dunno… maybe I just never got the appeal of acting like an asshole. Just seems like there’re enough problems in the world without trying to add to them.

        Wonder if it’s a console gamer thing.

    • Gerg Arata

      “People” being whom? Im sick of it, you’re sick of it, but I hardly think you or I could speak for people in general.