#GamerGate: Destructoid Updates Article After Misreporting Alex Mauer DMCA Case
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(Last Updated On: July 17, 2017)

Destructoid’s Jonathan Holmes originally had a story published on the front page entitled “River City Ransom: Underground Taken Off Steam due to DMCA claim” on July 16th, 2017. The article originally painted Alex Mauer – the composer who provided music for River City Ransom: Underground – as the victim in the situation, stating that Mauer was on the receiving end of death threats and that they received unfair treatment regarding the situation involving Mauer’s music. The article avoided mentioning Mauer sending death threats to the developers and YouTubers covering the situation.

The article also originally claimed that they didn’t know why River City Ransom: Underground was taken off Steam, and only provided comments made by Mauer who gave their side of the story.

The comment section was not at all pleased with Holmes’ one-sided take on the situation, especially after he made comments criticizing YouTubers who have been regularly covering the Alex Mauer case.

He later went back and made two more updates, citing the original Siliconera article that contained comments from Conatus Creative’s lead programmer who explained that they were working to get River City Ransom: Underground restored to Steam, as well as included comments from Imagos’ lawyer, Leonard J. French, who is currently trying to resolve the matter involving Starr Mazer DSP and Alex Mauer, for whom the latter issued multiple DMCA claims and copyright strikes against YouTubers who had videos up of the game.

In the original published article, it contained no comments from Leonard J. French, who took issue with the fact that he was told that Destructoid would not be reporting on the threats that Alex Mauer had sent to him and the developers.

After the misreporting was brought to the awareness of Destructoid owner Niero Gonzalez, the article was prefaced with a note from the owner, which now reads…

“Destructoid is a multi-author blog. This story in particular was an opinion piece that should not have appeared on our home page, but instead on Mr. Holmes’s personal blog. We stand by Holmes in that he should always write from his gut, but that doesn’t mean Destructoid endorses any part of this editorial. There’s two sides to every story, and that’s come ver apparent here as more sources come forward. This is a story that is still developing and requires more investigation”

Readers asked if this sort of lack of oversight was normal at Destructoid, and Holmes mentioned that it was not normal but he suspects that the rules may be tightening up soon.

Holmes also admitted that he should have touched on the death threats from “both sides” instead of only showing favoritism toward Mauer. The reality is that the developers from Starr Mazer: DSP and River City Ransom: Underground, and YouTubers like TotalBiscuit and SidAlpha, have not sent any death threats to Alex Mauer.

SidAlpha recently did a video covering Destructoid’s one-sided piece favoring Mauer and his history covering this event that has gone practically unreported by many other larger mainstream and enthusiast media outlets.

SidAlpha even managed to more than double his subscriber count given that he’s one of the only few outlets in all of media providing reputable coverage of these events involving Alex Mauer, in a decorous manner, despite having received death threats from Mauer on several occasion.

Kotaku in Action user B-Volleyball-Ready spotted a Twitter exchange that involved questioning if Holmes would be fired from Destructoid over this ethical violation. Holmes was unsure of his fate at Destructoid but claimed he still loved writing there.

Destructoid’s misreporting of this situation isn’t entirely new for the outlet. They’ve been trying to recover after a string of other situations involving ethical malfeasance, many of which are documented in the site profile over on DeepFreeze.it, which is an online resource that sprouted up during the heyday of #GamerGate in order to track ethical violations from video game media outlets, personalities and journalists.

[Update: For those of you wanting to dive deeper into the rabbit hole and get a full understanding of the situation, there’s a definitive and objective timeline of events that was put together over on the SirTapTap website that chronicles the drama from the start up until now.]


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  • Alistair

    Okay very last question to the owner of Destructoid, as I been writing alot myself I must have smash my world record.

    so question as the owner do you set out your policy to the staff.

    as a example I use me If I boss of a company I shall tell the staff my vison and goal. i shall also tell them that any time they feel awkward there the door. also point out to leave their political views at home that could cloud their judgement.

    so having regressions left in my rank would spell doom and that is happening right now. remember the article VR dead or alive 3 extreme is a sexual assualt game what the point of that Does it bring in the sells for what other purpose but only for a agenda driven narrative.

  • Rick James Sanchez

    Destructoid, Kotaku and Polygon are sites where social “justice” will be defended beyond the reasonable. That’s why the author goes incredibly soft on her. If it was an average white male he would burn him to the ground like CNN blackmails teenagers.

    An Objective Timeline of the Alex Mauer DMCA Debacle:
    https://sirtaptap.com/2017/07/an-objective-timeline-of-the-alex-mauer-dmca-debacle/#more-2984

    Jonathan Holmes’ quality journalism:
    http://deepfreeze.it/journo.php?j=Jonathan_Holmes

  • EffTheWholeLot

    Good on Holmes to keep the whole “LOOK AT DEM EVIL YOUTUBERS”-narrative going strong: http://i.imgur.com/eHc27J0.jpg

  • EffTheWholeLot

    Or how about this little gem. Where Holmes himself said he was told NOT to apologize at all? I mean, sure, reversed now, but that is probably only because Dtoid once again made the headlines with being gutter-level.

    https://archive.fo/kSCnj

  • CatCouch

    How is this still happening? Is there a reason why every controversy written by game journalists attempts to slander gamers? How can the people in this industry know so little about what they write?

    A few slip-ups are expected but this seems to be beyond a mere oversight. How does actual evidence of threats from Mauer not make it into the reporting but accusations of death threats, without proof, from YouTubers make it in? Just call it an opinion piece after it all goes south, I guess. Horrendous reporting.

    • El Gonzo

      Well, just my speculation, but it looks to me that the Holmes just saw/heard a trans in pain, YTers being outraged and pissed-off of said trans, and harassment and threats flying around. These few (and incomplete) impressions were perhaps enough to form the basis for a nice little story pushing the typical narrative a little bit more. You know, standard situation, business as usual…

      Unfortunately for Holmes, the real situation surrounding Mauer was anything but standard or normal. How could poor chap Holmes know how toxic Mauer was? I mean, it would surely be inappropriate to demand from Holmes to do the most basic and honest research, no? Despite the little he knew, it was already too much of an opportunity he couldn’t resist, i guess. …just need to go through the motions, as usual… no big deal… easy, peasy…

      Fortunately for all of us (or rather, totally unsurprising), the shit he wrote blew up spectacularly in his and his employers face — exposing and reminding us (for many: again) about what not-really-journalist people like Holmes are truly about. How much this will hurt Destructoid will very much depend on how Destructoid/Niero handle the situation and the fallout in both short- and mid-term.

      • CatCouch

        It really makes me wonder how the people who cover this industry don’t know what happens in it before writing articles about it. I knew about Mauer weeks ago when it came up on NeoGAF.

        I have no idea how Holmes managed to cover this story without doing any real research, even NeoGAF agreed Mauer was a serious problem.

        All I can say is thank god we have places like this that are vigilant. Gaming journalism is untrustworthy enough that people look into their claims now. It’s a bad position to be in when the audience knows more than the professionals.

        • El Gonzo

          That can happen when you do things routinely. Sometimes that routine has been internalized to such an degree that you do the thing on auto-pilot without much thinking and little awareness of the situation at hand…

  • Daniel Ream

    Here we go with this hilarious “ettics in gaem jurnolism!!” fig leaf again. It’s like watching grown men argue about whether the ref calls are fair in WWE.

    The whole Gamergate thing was nothing but a faction split between two groups of entitled millenials Twitterbitching over something that doesn’t matter because somebody said something mean about them online. It wasn’t about ethics in game journalism because there’s never been any ethics in game journalism because nobody cares about game journalism. Everyone knows it’s thoroughly corrupt, and has known since Nintendo Power and Official Playstation Magazine debuted.

    • Mr.Towel

      So much projection here…

    • ThyPancakeConsumed

      Still on about how gamergate is bunch of entitled whiners? Have you tried.. moving on?

  • Scott The Brit

    Destructoid has been shit for years.

    • only years? thanks! it’s been a good decade plus

      • CatCouch

        The sad thing is Destructoid used to be my go to site, especially after 1up went
        under. I really liked you guys. I read it for Jim Sterling for quite a while, but it became clear to me Destructoid made the same tone shift sites like 1up and most others did after 2012. Why? While Destructoid isn’t as bad as Kotaku and Polygon, why has the industry as a whole moved towards this idea that games are sexist and questioning the reporting, especially on the ethics front, is “trolling” or worse?

        I decided to leave Destructoid after what I found to be an unreasonable amount of social activism articles from Jed Whitaker. I can understand bringing issues like representation of women in games, but I can’t understand the flippant attitude Jed had about censorship and how far he’d go out of his way to cover games that upset him so he could get on his soap box, (looking at that import review of DOX3, here).

        His articles about Donkey Kong’s nipples being censored and Tokyo Mirage Sessions just seemed unnecessarily antagonistic to the Destructoid audience.

        I thought I could return a few months ago, first time in a year, and immediately ran into Jed’s review of the game Perception where he argues games shouldn’t tackle weighty subjects. Add in the participation in the “Gamers are over” controversy from Holmes and I just don’t see the value of the site anymore. What happened?

        • I get that! But talking about the past, I’d have a complaint about Jim doing social justice in my inbox every morning, so it’s a sort of unwinnable situation to make everyone happy. I went to bat for Jim a lot and he’s a lot more polished these days, and that took time (I don’t take credit for anything other than supporting him early on). I hope Jed will follow a similar path.

  • GearGades

    SirTapTap, one of the many Youtubers hit with Mauer’s false DMCA provides a time line of the Debacle https://sirtaptap.com/2017/07/an-objective-timeline-of-the-alex-mauer-dmca-debacle/#more-2984

    Also a Twitter account called MauerWatch has archived ALL (if not most) of her insane Twitter rambling, were she has admitted to had Doxxed his Parents, frm Lawyer and harassed a 15 year old https://twitter.com/mauerwatch?lang=en

  • Disqusted

    Not much to say on this other than I stopped visiting Destructoid because of how they treated gamers during the GamerGate debacle. I remember seeing tons of deleted comments, with Destructoid staff cussing at commenters. That’s not how you should treat your visitors.

    Part of the reason GamerGate blew up was because gaming sites, gaming media, mainstream media and companies already had a long record of shifty behavior (eg. criticizing devs and bashing gamers based on irrelevant personal opinions, accepting bribes, etc, etc).

    The way sites like Destructoid reacted to the accusations of collusion (eg. deleting any kind of discussion, badmouthing gamers) only served to add fuel to fire, validating everyone’s distrust of the general media and the game industry. Imagine if they just let people talk about it freely. I doubt it would have blown up as much. Until they got caught for something else, anyway.

    Nobody is expecting anyone to be infallible. It’s more of a matter of the usual suspects with not-so-great past records and certain proven connections that seem to keep cropping up, over and over. Anyone paying attention would be suspicious of that.

    Believe it or not, there’s such a thing as having a trustworthy reputation. When you do make a mistake, or harm people who don’t deserve it, you should own up to it immediately. I did not get that impression from how the gaming and mainstream media reacted to and still treat gamers and GamerGate. They doubled down, or worse. 2 years later, they are still making up bullshit.

    Look at how quickly people running this site correct mistakes, and how often they try to verify before they put out articles. This site also doesn’t have a record of making up bullshit.

    Of course, that doesn’t mean people can’t change, either. I’m just not interested in giving the benefit of the doubt because SJW nonsense is still an ongoing and growing problem. I don’t need to put up with gaming news site bias and bullshit, so I don’t visit those sites anymore.

    I’m also not someone who easily forgives people who behave in such a way as to openly censor, slander and bully innocent people like how the gaming and mainstream media has been doing. They have an extremely long way to go before they should regain trust, if ever.

    • They have an extremely long way to go before they should regain trust, if ever.

      I think these people are better off dead.

      Stops them from ruining and destroying people’s lives.

      • under what circumstance exactly do I wake up in the morning and say, hmmm, how do I destroy someone’s life today and complicate my month by having to train a new person who may not work out? Think long and hard about that. I go out of my way to keep the people I have. If you think you read something that says otherwise you might want to question the intent of that source.

        • I was talking about SJWs and feminists in general.

          Wasn’t necessarily directed at you.

        • When they blatantly lie, maybe? Hurt your bottom line? Further tarnish your company’s stained reputation?

          You tell us what moral, ethical, or criminal lapses are bad enough for you to fire someone.

      • under what circumstance exactly do I wake up in the morning and say, hmmm, how do I destroy someone’s life today and complicate my month by having to train a new person who may not work out? Think long and hard about that. I go out of my way to keep the people I have. If you think you read something that says otherwise you might want to question the intent of that source.

    • Matthew Haycock

      Same reason I tend to avoid Eurogamer, (Well, the comments section in particular) as similar cases of peoples comments getting deleted because a particularly opinionated moderator (Known as MrTom) would regularly shoot his mouth off at other commentators.

      Usually, when he couldn’t get people to agree with him (or was ‘loosing’ an argument) you would see a sudden string of posts getting deleted, or even heavily edited to try and look more favourable to him.

      Got to a point where a bunch of accounts got banned after he got called out on his actions, especially as said people had screenshots to show what he had altered.

      • Eurogamer does brilliant work. That’s a very narrow way to look at a publication, and unfair to the rest of the quality people there. You can’t love everyone at a paper, sure, but taking it out on the whole organization seems extreme to me.

        • Matthew Haycock

          I have no problem with the team who write for eurogamer, its just the fact they seem to have no issue with giving someone the position of moderator who rather than trying to be a voice of reason, will blatantly abuse the position of power they have been given over the forums and comments sections.

          Makes it hard to support the site when you would regularly see trolls riling people up, or people actively insulting other users, and getting no repercussions.
          Yet if you have a different opinion to one particular user, especially in stuff related to gamergate, there is generally a good chance your comments will be removed, or highly altered.

          I don’t think its very narrow-minded to have trust issues when you see regular issues like this that don’t get dealt with.

          I mean, I think its great that you’re actively trying to address the situation with this particular article, despite what other people are saying here, it’s certainly a good sign of faith, to say you are listening to what people are saying.
          But we are seeing the opposite in this case, as EG staff seem to turn a blind eye, rather than address the situation.

    • i don’t wake up in the morning to censor, slander, and bully everyone. what kind of cartoon do you think I am? get real.

      as a matter of fact, go look at how we stack up on deepfreeze. go ahead, click on outlets. now, out of the things that aren’t ammended, how many of those things do you think I was aware perfectly in advance before the incident occurred, and is it even possible to correct after the fact?

      running a team doesn’t make you a mind reader. there are some things that cannot be undone or even prevented when you have so many moving parts. for those things that can be, we’ve corrected them.

      why? because we care. because we want to do great work. from the hundred thousands of headlines we’ve published in our history this site points to how many errors, exactly? do the math.

      • Either fire the lying author or state that the truth doesn’t matter to you. There are no other options.

    • Mash Draggin

      Unfortunately, the way that gamergate was handled by the media is typical of how almost all issues across the political spectrum are now handled by the media. I found this surprising at first, but after seeing so much of this kind of behavior in the past few years I no longer trust the media about anything, and in fact tend to think now that the opposite of what they are saying is true, because in so many cases, just like with gamergate, it is.

  • Alistair

    Now call me cynical or a hash critic.

  • Alistair

    All well he should be safe because the owner said he standing with Holmes.

    Sound like a cop-out to me.

    Edit: isn’t edit function great. I read the apologie and while fucks up happen.

    And Holmes didn’t double down a favourite tactic by unethical SJWs journalists and MSM. I give them the old benefit of the doubt.

    As for CNN they were caught lying on film lol 😂

    • Do you have kids? How about employees that have worked hard for you for 8 years? What do you if they steal the keys and crash the car, disown them? Maybe I’m getting soft in my old age, but put yourself in my shoes. Good people are hard to find. The internet loves quick fixes but life ain’t like that.

      • Alistair

        Maybe you didn’t see the edit below. I shall say this if I deleted the above post and change it. I expect to be called out on that.

        Like I’m hiding something and I don’t like to self censored myself.

        Now the questions is this it is irrelevant what I do. I’m some dude shitlord consumer that get pissed when someone tries to paint a different painting. By pissing of certain type of games or force diverse when nobody ask for it.

        Or I did was given you and Holmes the benefit of a doubt meaning I take the apology as face value.

        Edit: I further went on to post a question above.

      • Disqusted

        Why do you keep bringing up kids? Maybe it’s me, but that just seems really, really weird to me.

        Is that how you see every situation and interaction with people? As dealing with a bunch of unruly inexperienced kids?

        Not expecting or intending to read your reply. I just wanted to point out how weird it is.

      • Matt [in Middletown]

        “How about employees that have worked hard for you for 8 years? What do you if they steal the keys and crash the car, disown them? ”

        If an employee steals your keys and crashes the car, you have the stupid criminal arrested and fired.

        And if you want to claim being a “game journalism site” it would help if your “reporters” didn’t take pay from their interviewee to write puff pieces.
        Paying someone for fellatio is soliciting prostitution.
        Apparently at Destructoid, the figurative version is considered good ethical behavior to be explained away and defended.
        And yes, John has in the past been paid by the subject of the interview to write puff pieces about them.
        And that’s not even the surface of it.

        As I told your employee Joel: “First rule of holes. When you find yourself in one, STOP DIGGING”

        • I’d have them replace the car or work it off, because I’d valued their work for 8 years. What does arresting and firing them do? You lose and employee and your car’s still crashed. Lawyer up then? Cold man.

          • Matt [in Middletown]

            So you’re very soft on crime, corruption, and go out of your way to ignore it.
            No, I’m not cold.
            I’m honest.
            You should try it sometime.

      • That reply sounds like a Logical Fallacy: Appeal to emotion.
        https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion

        Bring facts and objective information for a proper reply. Trying to win an argument using emotions shows you as dishonest and flawed.

        And for the answer to your question, that’s what laws exist for, you can’t go cherry picking who’s guilty and not guilty or who is more culprit or less culprit. Trying to break, bend or ignoring laws and norms just leads to corruption and corruption brings down the societal tissue.

        And the more sad of the matters here is how corrupted or dishonest the MSM and gaming journalist have become, having lost their impartiality and spreading disinformation to the masses.

      • Deiser

        He’s not your kid. He’s a guy whose sloppy journalism has hurt multiple people on a personal level and, in Mauer’s case, encouraged negative behavior. By not punishing or firing him, you’re hurting your site’s name even more, and your site is your real child in this case.

        Using your children comparison, you can either get rid of soneone whose reckless actions are hurting both your kid and others, or continue letting him hurt your child because you refuse to deal with the issue.

        • In a mentoring sense, they’re all my kids. When the shit hits the fan it’s on me to clean it up. Making him eat crow and pulling the article is not punishment enough? What in your opinion is a better judgement for 8 years of great work and then this happens.

          • Alistair

            but having 8 years of hard work, doesn’t make you immune from getting sacked. it really sucks when it happens.

            but things cant be said of what the left been doing getting people fired that could be working hard for 8 years too.

            let play the devil avacate, if holmes didnt quickly make the updates and apologies and instead double down he be gone. besides he at nmber 11 on deepfreeze that must be good.

          • Deiser

            You’re making it sound like this is his only serious mistake though, when it’s far from it. If it was one mistake in 8 years, then yes, I’d understand your logic. However, he has shown to make significant errors like this multiple times in 8 years. There should be a limit to how much of that is allowed, and the length’s of the person’s employment should not factor into that allowance if he’s been doing it several times. It shows he’s not willing to learn despite his apologies. Would you be taking this stance if his article personally offended you or encouraged negative behavior from someone who is harassing you personally? That should be a question one should ask himself in a situation like this, at least to me.

  • Thanks for the even-handed reporting on this. Not to make excuses, but it happened over a weekend and we were slower to react than normal. We’re taking it very seriously. As for how the article was vetted, Holmes has been contributing to Destructoid since ~2008 and had more access than most of our editors, so it was just a matter of poor judgement and circumstance that bypassed our regular checks and balances. We’re tightening that up but first need everyone to understand that this is not Destructoid’s position on this matter, as a contributor acted out alone.

    Personally, I think its important to (1) consider the ethical challenges of reporting on someone with alleged mental issues (which holmes brought up) and (2) tell the other side of the story, such as highlighting what Leonard French is going through, which he mentions in his revised story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryWjMNVb3sI

    • Not to make excuses, but it happened over a weekend and we were slower to react than normal.

      Totally understandable. Weekends can be a pain like that.

      Holmes has been contributing to Destructoid since ~2008 and had more access than most of our editors, so it was just a matter of poor judgement and circumstance that bypassed our regular checks and balances.

      I understand this as well… but I think part of the problem was the angle at which he approached the situation, which was trying to maintain the perspective setup as the status quo in current enthusiast and mainstream media standards when reporting on what people consider to be “marginalized” groups.

      I definitely feel as if leniency can be granted in some cases depending on the circumstances (I’m certainly no Inspector Javert from Les Miserable). However, I don’t think personal ideologies should supersede the facts.

      We’re tightening that up but first need everyone to understand that this is not Destructoid’s position on this matter, as a contributor acted out alone.

      That’s very good to know.

      Personally, I think its important to (1) consider the ethical challenges of reporting on someone with alleged mental issues (which holmes brought up) and (2) tell the other side of the story, such as highlighting what Leonard French is going through

      Totally agreed. Personally, I actually like to stay far away from these kind of stories. However, the community felt as if this story wasn’t being covered properly or covered at all, especially given the scale of financial and integral harm done to the development studios involved.

      • EffTheWholeLot

        – Holmes, according to his own statement, was told at first not to apologize: https://archive.fo/kSCnj
        – Holmes is tight friends with MANY indies, I wouldn’t be surprised if he had indirect contact with Mauer. His connections are well known.
        – Notice how he ONLY sprung on a story AFTER River City was taken down? The story was going on for weeks by then. StarMazer DSP has been taken offline a while ago already, but that of course didn’t warrant an article. But all of a sudden this game gets taken down and it becomes news? Hmmm… strange how that works.
        – According to French he was straight up told they would not include the threats she has sent out etc: https://twitter.com/leonardjfrench/status/886560578453598208

        This was not some little slip up.
        This was not an unexperienced guy fucking up.
        This was the guy who was EiC of the plattform once delibaretly painting a narrative. Maybe for a friend or a friend of a friend.

      • EffTheWholeLot

        My last reply got marked as spam, probably because of an archive link, so I’ll circumvent this time:
        – Holmes, according to his own statement, was told at first not to apologize: http://i.imgur.com/Z7GVdP2.jpg
        – Holmes is tight friends with MANY indies, I wouldn’t be surprised if he had indirect contact with Mauer. His connections are well known.
        – Notice how he ONLY sprung on a story AFTER River City was taken down? The story was going on for weeks by then. StarMazer DSP has been taken offline a while ago already, but that of course didn’t warrant an article. But all of a sudden this game gets taken down and it becomes news? Hmmm… strange how that works.
        – According to French he was straight up told they would not include the threats she has sent out etc:https://twitter.com/leonardjfrench/status/886560578453598208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdisqus.com%2Fby%2Feffthewholelot%2F%23

        This was not some little slip up.
        This was not an unexperienced guy fucking up.
        This was the guy who was EiC of the plattform once (!) delibaretly painting a narrative. Maybe for a friend or a friend of a friend, who knows?

        • Ahahaha… so that’s how disqus is protecting websites. Thanks for spotting that with the archive links. The regressives never cease to amaze me. If people want to share links now it appears Disqus will label archive links as spam, which is pretty crappy.

          Anyway, I whitelisted your account so you shouldn’t have any problems posting content on this site.

          • Matt [in Middletown]

            Over at the destructoid article they are now holding responses to Joel Peterson as “pending” since he is valiantly still digging a hole trying to defend the article.

          • Matt [in Middletown]

            Over at the destructoid article they are now holding responses to Joel Peterson as “pending” since he is valiantly still digging a hole trying to defend the article.

      • EffTheWholeLot

        As an addendum, I’ll just drop this here: http://i.imgur.com/eHc27J0.jpg

    • Freyah

      You weren’t slow to react with the comment censoring though.

      You can throw Holmes under the bus as hard as you want but that will not negate the fact that one or more editors were doing some damn shady stuff. And I will _not_ let that go. Explain yourselves, do.

      • Because to a pyro a forrest fire is more satisfying to than a burning bush? As a park ranger I’m not having either.

        It’s the difference between ticking a checkbox on my mobile phone and getting five people on the phone and editing and reviewing a response. One thing takes longer than another.

        • Freyah

          So why do you feel that questioning the quality of the research done in an article is like a fire?
          What part of asking why comments are being deleted is exactly like being a pyromaniac? Thank you so much for comparing people who care about this issue to people who have a dangerous impulse control disorder btw, _very_ mature.

          Aaand since we’re playing the “As a…” game, my turn! As a nurse; when someone tells me something hurts I find out what, not put a huge swatch of medical tape over their mouth.

          xoxoxoxo

    • Shay Marin

      That is not Leonard French’s “revised” story. He put that video up on June 29th, long before Mr. Holmes’ unresearched and heavily biased puff piece was put up on your website. I am glad you linked to his video on the case to help people become more informed on the subject, but don’t try to slant the narrative here as well as on Destructoid. He’s a good guy, he deserves better.

  • ThyPancakeConsumed

    Cuckoid, shitgn and other losers needs to go. They never knew how to do their job properly and they continue to do damage to industry.

    • I hate to break it to you kid (as in Bogart), but nobody’s infallible. Even a billion dollar empire like CNN goofs now and then. As long as humans are the journalists there will be slip-ups now and then – no exception. But I’m not here to make excuses, either.

      What does matter more is what they do after they slip, and Holmes followed-up with the sort of update, apology, and overall integrity that is *rarely* seen.

      • Even a billion dollar empire like CNN goofs now and then. As long as humans are the journalists there will be slip-ups now and then

        These “goofs” and “slip-ups” certainly happen an awful lot don’t they?

        In fact, it’s happening so much now in mainstream media and mainstream video games media that it’s starting to look like bias instead of “slip-ups”.

        Also, isn’t it strange on how all these “goofs” and “slips-ups” always ends up putting SJWs and feminists in a position of advantage?

        • I’m not sure what your point is, and I’m not trying to be rude. Are you implying that people that don’t work for newspapers are somehow less likely to make mistakes than people who write for newspapers?

          It wouldn’t be productive to theorize if SJWs and feminists are magically written about from a position of advantage across completely unrelated publications without some comprehensive data points about all crimes reported without some serious cherry picking. Your guess is honestly as good as mine.

          It’s kind of like arguing if shark attacks are growing faster than atherosclerosis because there’s always shark attacks on the news. Nobody blogs about atherosclerosis because it’s boring.

          • mikebrand83

            It wouldn’t be productive to theorize if SJWs and feminists are magically written about from a position of advantage across completely unrelated publications

            It would probably be a little easier to outright dismiss that sort of thing as just theories or mere coincidence, if it wasn’t for the historical examples such as JournoList and GameJournoPros.

          • here’s nothing I or anyone posted on those lists that couldn’t have gone up on NeoGaf, which is a pain in the ass to use. but I agree those lists should have been read-only to the public on the onset. What I don’t get is how NeoGaf is OK with the same people posting the same shit, but anonymously. People are weird.

            I get your skepticism though, I get it because when I was a little kid I mistrusted EGM because of some shit I heard somebody say once. Then you meet Dan Hsu in person and try to follow in his footsteps and feel like a giant idiot for believing such things. The work is hard.

          • lucben999

            here’s nothing I or anyone posted on those lists that couldn’t have gone up on NeoGaf

            Ha! While true, it’s only so because NeoGAF is a cesspool of lying SJW assholes.

            I don’t see the point of playing dumb on this site of all places, we’ve been getting shit on and smeared for three years now so we’re all very familiar with your biases.

          • mikebrand83

            Sure, equate natural skepticism (*) with the mistrust of a “little kid”, and that it should be something that one should feel like a “giant idiot” over. Brilliant argument.

            (*) Something which, rather ironically, was what my highschool teachers taught me years ago should be our default position when examining any media… Especially when it comes to uncovering biases in the “news” media by the omission of one side of the story and/or omission of relevant facts.

          • Disqusted

            I know you’re trying to be reasonable and explain the situation, but it really rubs me the wrong way that yo’re downtalking to people by referring to them as “kid” and comparing them to when you were a kid.

            It says something about how you see other people, and reminds me of how Destructoid treated its visitors when GamerGate blew up.

            Do you not recall all the other reasons people are skeptical of you and Destructoid? Don’t act like there’s no other reason to be skeptical than “you made a mistake because you’re not infallible”. That kind of PR-ish speak is exactly why people don’t feel they can trust you.

            By the way, I’m not going to check for replies. Just wanted to point out a few things. I don’t think you really care either way.

          • Oh I care, but I’m exhausted by people taking cheap shots.

            Nobody here will want to hear it, but I’m pointing out that the holy grail of games journalism held by a lot of idealistic people is an organization that never makes a mistake ever, and everyone on staff is a journalism valedictorian. I’m sure there’s an anime about it where they’re all tall and beautiful as well. It’s a fantasy or it’s a site that isn’t publishing thousands of articles a month for 11+ years. Sooner or later someone’s gotta slip.

            In real life there’s talented people that once in a blue moon will get tired, that get their budgets cut, that do it for fun, that do sloppy work, and so on. Sooner or later they are going to fuck up. What’s important is what they do after. My guy fucked up and he’s owned up to it, and we’re fixing it. That’s not PR-ish, that’s the most straight up real thing a site operator can say.

          • Oh I care, but I’m exhausted by people taking cheap shots.

            Nobody here will want to hear it, but I’m pointing out that the holy grail of games journalism held by a lot of idealistic people is an organization that never makes a mistake ever, and everyone on staff is a journalism valedictorian. I’m sure there’s an anime about it where they’re all tall and beautiful as well. It’s a fantasy or it’s a site that isn’t publishing thousands of articles a month for 11+ years. Sooner or later someone’s gotta slip.

            In real life there’s talented people that once in a blue moon will get tired, that get their budgets cut, that do it for fun, that do sloppy work, and so on. Sooner or later they are going to fuck up. What’s important is what they do after. My guy fucked up and he’s owned up to it, and we’re fixing it. That’s not PR-ish, that’s the most straight up real thing a site operator can say.

          • Alistair

            I want to ask the CEO what he thinks about ethics in journalism way before gamergate happen.

            To the present day. After post gamergate. As we see disclaimers on articles. When it focuses on censorship and stuff as they both linked.

          • Alistair

            I hijacked my comment to answer the above questions i take it as a No then. 😂

            It does not give you any favours too. 😋

          • I think everyone’s always tried their best, and GG reminded the industry that it’s still young and figuring itself out. I think the ethical people came clean and apologized. I think that’s really the best that ever came out of it. It was necessary.

            but sites like DeepFreeze aren’t a Karma score. You can do right all day and have a few bad eggs in there and that completely overshadows everything good you’re doing.

            people like slowing down to see a car crash, I get that, but it’s a terrible disservice to people that write about games. It’s discouraged a few good ones to quit

            also, I’m not CEO anymore 😉 I’m just a publisher. I sold my company awhile ago.

          • Alistair

            Well thank you for getting back to me, I agree with you GG was good and still on-going.

            and things had change for the better, example (disclaimers) but there are still a few rotten apples out there because I always believe it was the minority and not the bulk of the journalists that had a agenda when writing about games and gamers (gamers are dead) spearheaded by ex-editor of gamastura. But things are not happening because the left has a agenda.

            And about deepfreeze there no need to be alarm the last time I look there a few names with the clean sheet status. That must be good right. It means they cleaning up they act.

            Edit: further point the left, does not give any favours for the site the mistake was on. It is a disservice for anyone that does good journalism. So off course we single you out when the mistake was made and now corrected right.

          • Mr.Towel

            The left has dominated the academia since 60s and the mainstream culture (TV shows and the like) since the 80s, I don’t think it’s much of a surprise that most journalists are aligned to the left of the political spectrum.

            But I think that’s even more reason to why it’s important to find more neutral or right leaning people to balance things out in your teams (and give them some voice to balance the overcrowding). Otherwise you get echochambers and fuck ups like this will happen sooner or later. If you put good internal ethical guidelines you can avoid most infighting and get rid of extremists inside your teams since both left leaning and right leaning extremist will refuse to work with one another, they will puss out in a fit.

            I know it’s a risky proposition but that’s the nature of entrepreneurship.

            I would have no issues to go back reading Destructoid if the atmosphere was more neutral. I still read Jalopnik everyday despite being bombarded by “OMG, Trump ate a steak, what a disgusting nazi!” every time I go in there. I don’t think I’m alone on this. (well maybe not here but you get the point). If there’s freedom and a way to talk back fairly I think most people can get through the bullshit.

          • Alistair

            Good point but I see no answer coming another tactic of they is stay silent. Name me other sites that does not banned you if you mention these fatal motal words “SJWs”

            and they certainly won’t talk about themselves like we didn’t do anything wrong. And “There no such thing as SJW” total in denial and that what I’m seeing.

          • El Gonzo

            I don’t know… if what Holmes did was a “mistake” by Destructoid standards, then how does Destructoid define “misconduct”?

          • EffTheWholeLot

            Putting a parody pic of Niero as your avatar.
            Gets you instabanned.

          • you know I’m a real person, right? with feelings? that guy made me feel terrible. I don’t have to endure that.

          • Deiser

            How many slipups must Mr. Holmes make before he’s shown to not be a good reporter? I would understand if this was a single sloppy mistake, but he has gotten away with an awfully large number of questionable mishaps as a professional journalist.

          • Jeremy Comans

            Holmes isn’t a professional journalist, he is a blogger and only claims to be as much. I don’t think that makes his poor reporting any more reasonable for a site that employs him. The frequency of his ‘mishaps’ is a bad reflection on what DToid thinks is acceptable to publish and propagate.

        • giygas

          You know what, fuck it. I don’t believe these assholes are sorry at all.

          TL;DR: The problems with Self-Destructoid go far deeper than a potato-head writer.

          They’re only sorry for being caught on the lie. Updates and apologies don’t matter because by then, the public’s attention will have moved on and fewer people will see it than the initial article anyway. By then they will have already influenced public opinion.

          We’re dealing with corporate entities here. When there are “slip-ups”, our attention should be focused more on the publication and it’s top brass than the writers themselves. The individual writers are disposable can be replaced by anyone. As evidenced by regular people with smart phones doing better journalism than the idiots that are paid to do it. It is ultimately the higher-ups that have the final say in what is published. If a writer has carte blanche to write without oversight and creates a shit storm, the higher-ups shoulder a portion -if not all- of the responsibility for granting that level of access.

          • Their top priority is to push their SJW agenda. And they’ll do it by lying, deceiving, slandering, bullying and lynch-mobbing. You know, whatever it takes to fool people into believing “muh feminism” and “muh oppression”.

            You’re definitely right about the higher-ups. I have the feeling that these higher-ups are cowards which kowtow to SJWs in order to maintain good PR and stop themselves from being lynch-mobbed by them. Or like you suggest, they’re probably SJW cucks themselves.

            Either way, they are a complete plague on earth that needs to be killed off for the good of society.

          • giygas

            I could be mistaken, but I’m getting the impression that some are focusing a little too much on the potato head peon and not enough on Destructoid itself. By all means, note the names of the author and the scumbags in charge, but lobbying to get them fired from a publication that’s known to push shit piece articles and click bait on a regular basis seems like a wasted effort – even if it were successful. I think it would more effective to denigrate the outlet’s credibility in general until it tanks. For example, I don’t believe CNN’s ratings and viewership wouldn’t have nose-dived as hard as it did if everyone focused solely on the doxxing turd that blackmailed a random plebbit user, as opposed to spurning CNN itself.

      • Keirnoth

        “Even a billion dollar empire like CNN goofs now and then.”

        Since you introduced CNN into this, you seem to forget that the past few months has shown them to be blatantly adversarial against Trump. The problem here is there is being human, and there’s being blatantly unethical and violating the standards of the Society of Professional Journalists. You guys made a mistake reporting on this person, but there was ample info available out there for you guys to read up on before you went to press with this story. You saw in the article there was SidAlpha talking about this, and ShortFatOtaku also did a Youtube video on Mauer too. Plenty of info about it on r/KotakuInAction, provided you haven’t convinced yourself we’re a bunch of (insert your typical ad hominem here).

        The entirety of mainstream media has been adversarial against the president, and I don’t even like him myself, and despite what you think, I am actually left wing. You know where the political standings of the people who read this blog lie, and a lot of us know where the political standings of the publication you are head for also lie. I’ve come to assume when any of the articles involve “harassment of x online” or some minority class that you won’t give it a fair assessment – you and your peers have set this standard before with your biased coverage of Zoe Quinn her abuse of her boyfriend through the means of the court system to silence him and the repeated lie of the harassment narrative. Just like what happened in this article, you’ve never given the other side a chance to say their part, and if you did you’ve given at best uncharitable interpretations of what we’ve said.

        It wasn’t surprising that Holmes covered for someone claiming to be trans without giving the other side a chance to respond. It’s what Geese Howard in the Tekken 7 Evolution 2017 reveal would call PREDICTABO.

        I have to give you props to be willing to come here after people pointed out your employee’s screw-up. It’s “rare” for people to admit they screwed up, but that’s pretty sad to even say considering you’re all *professional journalists* who are supposed to live up to the standards of the SPJ.

        I hope in future “progressive” topics like this you actually look at them in a fairer light instead of giving biased charitable coverage towards the so-called “oppressed/victim” side. I’d love to be able to read your publication again but since almost 3 years ago I no longer can trust you or your peers to report honestly on anything that isn’t basic release news.

        Just remember, Usher here was one of you guys. I want more folks like him writing for video gaming. It would be a big help to the industry when more people are willing to report what the actual truth is and not what their interpretation of it is.

        • That’s hard to respond to without first acknowledging that Trump is adversarial on a daily basis, long before he was president 😉 But I get your point.

          • Elilla Shadowheart

            Let’s drop Trump from the discussion then. And look at all the other cases where there’s sudden “technical malfunctions.” Or in the cases of other publications where they have to outright retract a story because it’s falsehood.

      • DogDish

        Listen fuckface, this shitheel went on Twitter and defended his “article” as good unbiased journalism. This wasn’t a mistake or slipup, he deliberately framed this narrative.

        • is it really that hard to understand that not everyone that blogs about videogames is a journalist? dtoid is a community of bloggers, you don’t even understand what it is that I do

      • ThyPancakeConsumed

        What a bunch of PR crap…

        “Kid” “Do you have kids?”
        Whats up with kids tho? Is that old damage control method used against people perceived as enemies aka “if i call someone who said or did something i don’t like,a kid, i am automatically going to be a winner” thing? Or i simply struck your nerve so bad by expressing what dozens think of destructoid, ign and others like ’em, you couldn’t come up with anything better than “kid”? Or is it something else that we need to know about you, you are hiding?

        “Even a billion dollar empire like CNN goofs now and then. As long as humans are the journalists there will be slip-ups now and then – no exception.”
        Why of all examples bring up CNN, one of biggest anti-free speech freedom empires? And why is it always so many slip-ups and goofs with journalists and media? Totally has nothing to do with vast rights and privileges media has, to the point where attacks against anyone be it most important person in country, be it thousands of peasants working their asses off to keep everyone and everything upfloat, are not just daily but also a norm, right?. Also it sounds like one of those “if bigger guys do it, there is nothing wrong for us to do it!” arguments to me.

        “But I’m not here to make excuses, either.”
        Oh boy, that’s rich… Ever heard of thing called contradiction?

        “What does matter more is what they do after they slip, and Holmes followed-up with the sort of update, apology, and overall integrity that is *rarely* seen.”
        Out of how many slip-ups? Destructoid alone has shitload already. Also apologies or updates ain’t going to change fact your employee went against standards of journalism and wrote thing that was biased towards one side of story. And this is not first time “game journos” regardless of title they are representing does this. Also why rarely between *’s? Still perceive hands that feed you as enemies?

      • Bawk Bawkbagawk

        if you start your defense with “CNN does it too” you argument is weak and shitty, too shitty to bother reading.

        • I’m sure there’s a reality where all news organizations are infallible, get everything right every time, and never have apologize, but one of us is not living in that one.

          • Bawk Bawkbagawk

            yeah, cuz we are demanding the impossible; accurate, well researched stories, god we are monsters.

          • Jeremy Comans

            We actually live in a reality where there is a sizeable middle ground of basic due diligence in reporting that falls between infallible and what Holmes tried to write.

      • Freyah

        Now all we need is an answer to who was deleting comments questioning the research of the article.
        And who was deleting the comments asking questions about the vanishing comments?
        Holmes has stated that he has no control over the comment section so I would like to know who thought censoring valid questions was okay over there.

      • Matt [in Middletown]

        “I hate to break it to you kid,”

        Well, now we know why Holmes wrote his insults towards Mauer’s victims, because such diseased thinking is endemic to Destructoid and the staff.
        The staff views everyone as children to be scolded and told how things are for their own good.

        As for slip ups, Ian Fleming had it right: Once is an accident, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action.
        When there is a repeated ad nauseum absolute pattern of bolloxing it up and then defending it, it isn’t a slip up but a concerted effort.

        • hurin

          Fake moral superiority is a tell-tale sign of the pseudo-intellectual. These people went to college for 4 years to write about Mario.

          I cannot even begin to imagine how much they hate themselves and their readers.

        • Rick James Sanchez

          We’re just basement dwellers with Dorito crusted fingers trolling on the high of too much Mountain Dew.

      • EffTheWholeLot

        Just to point this out: this guy, who couldn’t even mange to really delete multiple user’s account properly from his own website when he was directly requested to do so multiple times, compares himself to CNN. Genius.

        Can we expect Holmes to get fired over this massive, biased fuck up? I mean, you attacked and ousted far more people for far less, no?
        https://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2015/08/destructoid-bans-rape-jokes-closes-down-forums-chaos-ensues/

        • so you’re defending a person who thinks rape jokes are funny, you get that, right? that’s where you stand. Got it.

          • Rick James Sanchez

            Rape jokes are funny and are not funny, just like holocaust funny is or isn’t. It’s purely opinion. Because there’s no science or OBJECTIVE moral guide for this. How much time EXACTLY before 9/11 jokes are ok? If you start to police humor all you do is censor. I don’t laugh at rape jokes personally, i think the often used men getting raped in prison is an overused cheap card, but it’s still my OPINION. All jokes and all humor is ok, unless there’s something illegal within the joke (like actively enticing to violence or other crimes). Humor is a way to deal with things we otherwise cannot deal with (easily), that’s why so much humor is about politic, national tension and social tension.

          • but there’s a science and objective moral guide for having that same person maliciously take my real photos and do whatever he wants? listen to yourself.

          • ThyPancakeConsumed

            “Moral guide” there we go folks…

            Let me tell you something you seemed not to be able to figure out on your own: once image/photo of you finds its way to the internet, people will do whatever fuck they want with it and you can’t do shit about it, so keep your balls calm if you don’t wanna become laughing stock. Oh wait journalists, outlets they write for and their bosses has been butt of the jokes and laughing stock for years now.
            Its funny how you first used “he thinks rape jokes are funny (evul evul evul!!!1111)” then it turns into “mah photo, mah image!”. I smell something funny here.
            Also take few steps to improve your grammar, you are owner of Destructoid not some kid figuring shit out about how world works, yet your sentences are started with lowercase letters.

          • Rick James Sanchez

            I never said that now you are putting words into my mouth. You are dishonest. But you don’t get to decide what humor is or isn’t acceptable.

          • Rick James Sanchez

            So your collegae just got fired. Gee, i wonder who is next?

        • so you’re defending a person who thinks rape jokes are funny, you get that, right? that’s where you stand. Got it.

      • Matt [in Middletown]

        Hey Niero, your employee Joel Peterson is running his mouth in defense of the poorly written screed on the Destructoid article and responses are blocked, shadowbanned,or left as ‘Pending’.
        How dishonest is that?
        Really, if the community flames your employees for being idiots, and your employees deserve such appellations, be man enough to take the lumps.

      • Matt [in Middletown]

        Hey Niero, your employee Joel Peterson is running his mouth in defense of the poorly written screed on the Destructoid article and responses are blocked, shadowbanned,or left as ‘Pending’.
        How dishonest is that?
        Really, if the community flames your employees for being idiots, and your employees deserve such appellations, be man enough to take the lumps.

      • Matt [in Middletown]

        Hate to break it to you, child, but John Holmes has a history that is documented.
        http://deepfreeze.it/journo.php?j=Jonathan_Holmes

        Do note the collusion, the corruption, the personal connections to people he is receiving pay from to promote or say good things about.
        So how’s his best bud Zoe Quinn?
        You know, the one he was saying wonderful things about without initially disclosing their friendship?
        And Destructoid only admitted it after it was put out there by Deepfreeze?
        Or his “Sup, Holmes?” series receiving money through kickstarter from people he was saying puff bits about?
        Like I said elsewhere, paying for fellatio is soliciting prostitution, and Destructoid is documented as doing the figurative form of it and passing it off as “journalism”.

      • Rick James Sanchez

        Intergity? LMAO it wasn’t even an apology! It was a “sorry YOU MISUNDERSTOOD me”. And CNN doesn’t fuck up a bit now and then, it fucks up, sometimes monumentally, way too often. And often it’s not innocent mistakes, but same as with Holmes there’s an agenda behind it:
        http://deepfreeze.it/journo.php?j=Jonathan_Holmes

        And it STILL hasn’t gotten corrected two genuinely reflect both sides!

        And stop calling people kids, it’s a cheap empty shot. Fight the argument, not the one making the argument. Not surprising, ad hominem attacks seem to be one of Holmes’ specialties so you run a nice club. All i can say is i genuinely hope you will improve your site, but i’m somewhat skeptical.

      • An apology for being caught is not the same as genuine remorse.

      • Mash Draggin

        There’s far, far too many instances across the board lately to chalk it all up to slip ups. That’s a cop out. Responsibility needs to be restored to the industry in a big way for there to be any hope of credibility recovery. It appears that many in the media simply do not seem to understand the magnitude of damage they’ve done to themselves.

  • jlnod15

    Well it good to see they are fixing it. Thumbs up on that!

    • Disqusted

      I don’t have any trust of the media amending articles after the fact. It’s a common tactic to report complete bullshit to influence initial impressions, and then “correct” the mistakes later when nobody is looking anymore.

      Not saying that’s what happened here. Just saying I’m not going to forgive or praise professional journalists or people who are supposed to be reporting facts as their job, just because they corrected mistakes.